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Re: Holly Lisle's Create A Language Clinic

From:

Lee <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:16:23 -0700

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Interesting, but I don't think it really matters how you create your conlang. Why should the use of a machine determine whether or not the resulting work is a conglang or not? Would creating it by tossing dice or drawing cards invalidate a work's status as conlang?

If the result, whether completely produced by hand, by tossing dice, by drawing cards, by spinning wheels, by running a program, or by whatever other means looks like a language, acts like a language, can be successfully used as language, then don't you have a language?

At what point does a work actually become a conlang? IOW, what are the minimal requirements for something to be called language?

Lee

--- On Fri, 7/3/09, J. Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: J. Burke <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Holly Lisle's Create A Language Clinic
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 1:10 PM
> --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Paul Hartzer
> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Paul Hartzer <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Holly Lisle's Create A Language Clinic
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 1:26 PM
> > > From: Benct Philip Jonsson
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > 
> > > On 2009-07-03 Paul Hartzer wrote:
> > > > I think a primer on how to make a few
> phrases and
> > a proper naming convention 
> > > in a few hours is a decent enough goal, and
> > characterizing any such task as 
> > > "cheating" wrt creating a conlang is missing the
> > point. 
> > > 
> > > Read again what I wrote: to achieve that goal
> one
> > > might just as profitably or even more profitably
> > > use a piece of software which randomly selects
> the
> > > properties of the language and translates
> > > sentences into it.
> > 
> > I did read what you wrote initially, and I disagree.
> > Continuing the movie set analogy, that's like saying
> that
> > you could program a robot to paint the bottom of a set
> hues
> > of gray and green and the top hues of blue and white,
> and
> > that a robot would create just as convincing a
> landscape as
> > a human. I also find your attitude about what ought
> to
> > qualify as a "conlang" dismissive and alienating; it's
> one
> > thing to strive for excellence, but quite another to
> look
> > down one's nose at those not as sophisticated in
> their
> > goals, which is what I feel you're doing in this
> thread.
> 
> I think you're right, Paul, that we shouldn't take an
> attitude of superiority toward these rudimentary conlangs;
> yet, to take the movie set analogy even further, I'm not
> sure such things ought to be called conlangs per se.  A
> painted facade of an Old West saloon is not a saloon; it's a
> simulation of the appearance of one.  In a similar way,
> these rudimentary conlangs may be better described as
> simulations of conlangs, with the outward appearance
> thereof.
> 
> 
>       
> 


      

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