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Re: Holly Lisle's Create A Language Clinic

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"J. Burke" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:54:34 -0700

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--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Lee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Lee <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Holly Lisle's Create A Language Clinic
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 6:16 PM
> Interesting, but I don't think it
> really matters how you create your conlang. Why should the
> use of a machine determine whether or not the resulting work
> is a conglang or not? Would creating it by tossing dice or
> drawing cards invalidate a work's status as conlang?
> 
> If the result, whether completely produced by hand, by
> tossing dice, by drawing cards, by spinning wheels, by
> running a program, or by whatever other means looks like a
> language, acts like a language, can be successfully used as
> language, then don't you have a language?
> 
> At what point does a work actually become a conlang? IOW,
> what are the minimal requirements for something to be called
> language?

I should make clear something that was implicit but unstated in my previous posts: I'm speaking specifically of naturalistic artlangs here. Intuitively, we want to say that something made by a machine or randomly isn't art--that there has to be some form of artistic intention behind the creation; I don't think that's a sufficient condition for art, but I believe it's a necessary one.  Lisle's book is aimed at producing a simulation or appearance of a naturalistic artlang.  As for other types of conlangs, it's quite possible that something made by a machine, or randomly, could be a conlang. (But we also have to ask to what degree anything could ever be made by a machine--at least machines as we have them now; a machine is always going to be human-guided to some degree--we'd set the boundary conditions for the software's creation of a conlang, e.g.  And no matter how broad or vague those conditions, we're always going to be there to set them; so no machine
 can ever produce anything purely on its own.)


      

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