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Re: Holly Lisle's Create A Language Clinic

From:

Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 4 Jul 2009 00:13:02 -0700

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:52 PM, J. Burke<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> From: Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Holly Lisle's Create A Language Clinic
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 2:28 AM
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM,
>> Herman Miller<[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> > J. Burke wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A friend of mine from FM had a copy.  I
>> skimmed it; it seems tilted
>> >> toward creating Euroclone-style case languages,
>> which is fitting for
>> >> traditional fantasy.  The information and
>> instruction given is on a
>> >> par with the LCK--very basic stuff, with tips on
>> how to do it all
>> >> quickly and with a minimum of fuss.  There
>> are quite a few links to
>> >> Wiki articles on various topics, and a pointer to
>> the IPA.  My
>> >> impression is that it fulfills its stated purpose
>> fairly well, the
>> >> aforementioned silliness aside.  It's not a
>> bad resource for a
>> >> fantasy or SF writer who just wants create a
>> consistent naming
>> >> language and/or throw a few conlang phrases into a
>> story for
>> >> atmosphere.
>> >
>> > I imagine that languages created for fantasy novels
>> have a number of
>> > constraints that we ordinarily don't take into
>> consideration in artlangs.
>> > Most obviously, they should avoid sounds that English
>> speakers have trouble
>> > with, and try to spell things in a way that won't
>> confuse English speakers
>> > too badly. Tolkien might have been able to get away
>> with spelling /k/ as
>> > "c", but how many of his readers got it wrong on the
>> first reading?
>>
>> Most of my conlangs have been intended, at least in theory,
>> for uses
>> in works of fiction, but only my currently most active
>> project
>> specifically has the Na´ve Anglophone Won't Mangle It
>> Principle as a
>> guiding constraint. It does make things a bit more
>> difficult, since
>> for aesthetic reasons I'm avoiding <K>.
>
> Typical readers don't tend to correctly pronounce odd names; instead, they simply memorize the form of a name and read over it.  In a sense, it doesn't really matter how you spell odd names.  But that said, I tend to Romanize my conlangs in my fiction in ways that are familiar; e.g., I use <q> for the glottal stop and <oo> for long /u/.

Well, it'd be used for more than names; some dialogue would appear in
Ilion*. Actually, <oo> for /u/ is the reason why I avoid <oo> in
general.

*It's intended for a comic. Ilion dialogue would be "subtitled" with captions.

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