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CONLANG July 2009, Week 2

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Re: On the subject of conscripts...

From:

Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:16:24 -0700

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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Eldin Raigmore<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> <dew> /dju/ (minimal pair with <do> /du/)
> <cure> /kjur\`/
> <mule> /mjul/
> <new> /nju/
> <tune> /tjun/

I'm with you on "cure" and "mule". The rest in my dialect are not
pronounced that way. "due" = "dew" = "do" = /du/. Same with "new" and
"tune".


>
> How do you pronounce <sixths>?

With great difficulty.

>
>>As an aside, only about 15% of words in an average English corpus
>>require anything other than generic vowels to be distinguishable,
>>especially when degenerate consonants are replaced by their actual
>>value. For example, "øm•bø•shøn" can only be "ambition", and "sør•tøn"
>>can only be "certain". (as opposed to "cør•tøn" which could be
>>"certain" or "curtain" due to the ambiguity of "c")
>
> Interesting. Do you have a reference? If so, do you have link to it on-line?

What I have is the Brown Corpus, plus a couple of other million-word
corpora that I constructed myself from online Gutenberg books, and one
from film screenplays. Since I am a retired programmer I wrote my own
statistical analysis tools in MSVC++. I haven't seen those figures
published anywhere, but it wouldn't surprise me to discover that
somebody had already published them somewhere.
...

>>Sets like ø•dø•ptø = {adapt, adopt, adept} would require
>>three distinct vowel mod diacritics, but such sets are very rare,
>>showing up in less than 1% of the 1,000 most common English words.
>
> Again, interesting!
>
> Again, do you have a reference? If so, do you have link to it on-line?

Again, my own analysis, this time from a lexicon of the most frequent
1000 words in the Brown Corpus, rather than directly from a corpus.
The percentages will differ between frequency in a lexicon as opposed
to frequency in a corpus, of course.

>
>>The basic idea is to represent a word using a system loosely based on
>>unique symbols for open syllables (with a restricted set of allowable
>>codas), reanalyzing English words as necessary to fit that
>>requirement, and with no attempt to use the syllabary to specify the
>>actual sound of the syllable with any precision beyond the bare
>>minimum needed to distinguish it from other similar words.
>>
>>--gary
>
> And what is this "bare minimum" -- do you know? Or is that what you're
> working on?

I'm working my way through a lexicon of 3500 most common words,
breaking them down by hand into my version of "syllables". I have
about 400 of them done so far. When that's complete I can then do some
analysis on the list and see what will be the minimum necessary set.

--gary

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