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CONLANG  July 2009, Week 2

CONLANG July 2009, Week 2

Subject:

Re: USAGE: dumb ASL question

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:36:55 -0400

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My impression is that fixed-do is the norm in Romance-speaking
countries, which use solfeggio in lieu of note letters in general
("Tocatta y Fugue en Re Minor"?).  In English-speaking (and Germanic
in general?) countries, the solfeggio syllables are never used that
way, even though some singing schools use fixed-do solfeggio for
teaching pitch.  In general, movable-do is more common here.

On 7/11/09, Leland Kusmer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> There are two very common solfeggio systems – "fixed-do" and "movable-do";
> the former comes out of the French tradition (and thus often uses B=si
> rather than ti, though I've certainly seen it both ways), while the latter
> more-or-less comes from the Kodaly tradition. The relative usefulness of the
> two systems is the sort of thing that commonly starts flame-wars, so I won't
> start on it here. (Even worse, the movable-do camp is divided between
> "la-based-minor" and "do-based-minor", but I won't start on that, either.)
>
> Mark, while it isn't ASL, there is a set of handsigns used in some
> movable-do traditions to accompany (or occasionally replace) the the
> syllables. You can see them e.g.
> here<http://www.ksoni.co.uk/Images/HandSignsM.JPG>.
> (They're typically referred to as the "Curwen/Kodaly handsigns".) In
> addition to the ones shown on that chart, there are more-or-less agreed upon
> signs for many of the acidentals:
>
> Ra: re but with the middle-finger lowered
> Ri: re but with the middle-finger raised
> Ma: mi with the thumb extended down
> Fi: a thumbs-up
> Si: sol but with fingers spread (open-5) (alternatively, sol but with only
> thumb raised)
> Lo: a C handshape (la turned on its side)
> Ta: a ti handshape, but pointing down
>
> (Sa and li have no commonly accepted signs that I know of; I occasionally
> sign sa as sol but with the fingers angled down. If you can't remember the
> accidental sign, I've been taught to do a two-handed sign, adding a mi
> handshape above or below the primary sign depending on which direction
> you're changing the note.)
>
> Signs are generally produced more or less in neutral space out in front of
> you, but with height varied to show melodic contour (i.e. your low tonic is
> usually at about solar plexus level, your high tonic about forehead level,
> your dominant in between, etc.).
>
> I grew up using this system extensively, and can honestly say that the
> muscle memory of the signs helps me with my sight-singing a great deal.
>
> -Leland
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Claude Almansi
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Mark J. Reed<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > Letter notes are absolute. Solfeggio is relative.  In the key of C, do
>> > = C.  In the key of G, do = G (and ti is F#).
>>
>> Are you really sure about this? Sorry, but I  did 5 years of solfeggio
>> and musical theory using do-re-mi I mean - and I was taught that they
>> were absolute, and equivalent to the letter notation. I.e. A = la and
>> C=do, whether in C major (do maggiore) or in D minor (re minore) or
>> whatever other key
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Claude
>>
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>

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