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CONLANG August 2009, Week 1

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Re: IPA & Conlangs (Was Re: A spoken-only conlang)

From:

Paul Roser <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:28:08 -0400

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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:05:42 +0200, Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On 2009-08-06 Paul Roser wrote:
>> eg. voiceless lateral fricative symbols have been created for
>> retroflex, palatal & velar, but are not part of the formal
>> table yet
>
>Not to mention Unicode! I use the "lateral
>release" diacritic to get symbols for both
>voiceless and voiced lateral fricatives:
>
>ɕˡ ʑˡ ʂˡ ʐˡ çˡ ʝˡ xˡ ɣˡ
>
>s\_l z\_l s`_l z`_l C_l j\_l x_l G_l
>
>which is arguably legit since fricatives
>are 'released' throughout their articulation.

It is certainly legit from the standpoint of current IPA principles, though I do like the 
'belted' laterals for voiceless fricatives, since they seem to me more iconic. On the other 
hand, I don't care so much for the current voiced lateral fricative symbol, and would 
welcome a replacement (Canepari reverses the lateral belt, though I have no idea if the 
project to convert his 300-odd symbols to a font has been completed yet. For pdfs of the 
chapters from his book where he describes his vowel and consonant symbols see:
http://venus.unive.it/canipa/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:pdf
under 'A Handbook of Phonetics').

>So you could represent a coarticulated uvular
>trill with ʶ, though I guess d͡ʁ dR) would perhaps
>be more unquestionable standard, although the
>meaning of the tie itself isn't very well defined:
>it certainly doesn't mean the same thing in g͡b and
>t͡ʃ and a͡ʊ [gb) tS) aU)] -- simultaneous
>articulation, release and 'glide' respectively.
>I'd like to differentiate the first two as g͡b gb)
>vs. t>ʃ t>S while the last should be aʊ aU and two
>successive vowels which are *not* a diphthong
>should be written explicitly as a.ʊ a.U .

I'd use a superscript uppercase R for trill rather than the uvular fricative, if trill is the 
target. I think that tS is just as good as t>S, though if one needs to distinguish between 
affricate and stop+fricative tS vs t.S could serve.


>BTW on the subject of nonstandard symbols, do you know
>what ⱹ U+2C79 LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED R WITH TAIL
>is used for?  I've used it for the Swedish and Norwegian
>retroflex lateral flap on analogy with the alveolar
>lateral flap ɺ U+027A LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED R WITH LONG LEG.

I've seen it in tables, but am unclear what it's meant to be used for. It reminds me of the 
Swedish landsmal alphabet symbol for a voiceless dental lateral.


-Bfowol

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