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CONLANG August 2009, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Recreating Pakuni language from on-screen examples

From:

Paul Hartzer <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:42:52 -0700

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It *may* be, but why not analyze it as /V/ given that /V/ exists elsewhere? I'd prefer to avoid /@/ altogether, and have [@] always an allophone of some other phonemic vowel. /V/ -> [@] when unstressed seems like a reasonable enough rule, given that /vowel/ in general -> [@] when unstressed (with exceptions).

Also, the traditional use of V and C for vowel and consonant in IPA rules illustrates why V and C are bad choices for specific phones in X-SAMPA and derivatives.

-- Paul



----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:03:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Recreating Pakuni language from on-screen examples
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Paul Hartzerwrote:
> > For me, these words end in the same vowel as "gladiola" and "victrola," to 
> name two that come to mind.
> 
> But as it's not stressed in such words, it may be analyzed as [log in to unmask]
> It is at least sometimes stressed in the utterances in question, and
> so must (in the usual analysis, where /@/ is definitionally
> unstressed) be analyzed as /V/.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > -- Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Mark J. Reed 
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:03:45 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Recreating Pakuni language from on-screen examples
> >>
> >> "wha?", although nominally a shortened form of "what?",  can be
> >> conveniently lumped in with several variants of "huh?" with different
> >> onsets: "uh?", "bwuh?", etc.
> >>
> >> I think "uh-uh" ("no") is another example of final /V/, however.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Alex Bickslerwrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Final [V(:)] only occurs (AFAIK) in _duh_ and _huh_.
> >> >
> >> > And possibly _wha?_,
> >> > [wV:_R], but that might be even more informal than your examples. -_^
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark J. Reed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark J. Reed 



      

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