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AUXLANG  August 2009, Week 3

AUXLANG August 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Tempting people with traffic

From:

MacLeod Dave <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:00:54 +0900

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>>>>> �If X% of the people out there have an interest in my
>>>>> subject matter then I'd rather have X% of the anglophone population
>>>>> than
>>>>> X%
>>>>> of some small language with only a few users. �Again this idea isn't
>>>>> going
>>>>> to appeal unless someone already had an interest in E-o, in which case
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> suspect they are already using it out there on the existing E-o blogs.
>>>>
>>>> No, many people are interested in the idea of learning a language like
>>>> E-o but simply haven't gotten around to doing it. I first thought
>>>> about learning E-o back in 2000 when I noticed a book on the language
>>>> in the library in Vancouver, but didn't get around to learning E-o
>>>> (and then Ido a few days later) until 2005. It was on my to do list
>>>> for a full five years before I got around to doing it.
>>>
>>> I first starting learning it back around 1980-81 when I ran across a
>>> small
>>> booklet. �At that time the lack of ability to find further materials held
>>> me
>>> back as well as the lack of others to use it with. �Somewhere around 1990
>>> I
>>> found a dictionary in a used bookstore, then later starting finding
>>> materials on the web but even there the opportunities to really use it
>>> were
>>> and still are scarce. �Sure there are blogs and forums out there in E-o
>>> already, but the subject matter is nothing of interest to me. �Somewhere
>>> in
>>> between then and now I found other conlangs that I liked better than E-o
>>> but
>>> their lack of popularity makes them even more unusable. �Now if I found
>>> an
>>> E-o site that did have some material of particular interest to me that
>>> wasn't already available to me in English or some other language that I'm
>>> familiar with, then yes I'd be motivated to participate in E-o but I'm
>>> not
>>> going to visit a site and read a bunch of prolefeed just because it's in
>>> my
>>> favorite auxlang.
>>>
>>
>> Sure you would. Let's say a site in Sasxsek sprung up out of nowhere
>> that was all about Christmas traditions. I know you'd still read it.
>
> As a militant atheist who despises Christmas and everything surrounding it
> I'd find it disgusting (yes, you hit a hot button). As creator of Sasxsek, I
> would check it out, but mainly just to offer advice regarding language usage
> to those who may still be learning.  This of course would assume this was
> one of few sites too.

See! Told you. I'm assuming that this is the only Sasksex site online
though, not one of many.

> I would guess that by the time sites like this
> cropped up, the language would be so popular that I probably wouldn't have
> time to check them all out.  Esperanto may not be popular in the grand
> scheme of things but is popular enough that not every E-ist can or will
> check out every E-o site just because it's an E-o site.

Sure. But - they will check out an E-o site simply because it's an E-o
site if they know that it is helping to propagate the language more
than other sites out there, regardless of whether they're interested
in the content or not.

>
> This is precisely why I haven't gotten involved in any particular conlang.
>  As they exist today these languages are all self-serving entities.  Where's
> are the real-world applications of these languages?  Where are the daily
> news sites?  Where are the television programs?  Where is the steady stream
> of new and original content?
>

Yeah.

>
>>
>>>>> ... I know you have a FB
>>>>>
>>>>> profile, so why not start by putting your own profile in E-o and using
>>>>> it
>>>>> for your own posts instead of, or at least in addition to English?
>>>>> �There
>>>>> are some E-o groups already on there that you can use to announce
>>>>> yourself
>>>>> as an E-ist look for people to read your posts.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't about me personally, but even if I were to do that the
>>>> effect would be minimal. I'm talking about a large group that is
>>>> capable of actually making a difference. Liberafolio.org is an example
>>>> of how much traffic can be generated by Esperantists (has a PR of 6).
>>>
>>> It's not about you, but if you are an advocate of these languages and
>>> wish
>>> to help promote them then lead by example. �How are you going to get
>>> others
>>> to do something when your not doing it yourself?
>>
>> Because the idea is about forming a _group_, not simply working alone.
>
> And that's what I've been bringing up.  Groups already exist to serve
> E-ists.  I don't see any particular point in reinventing the wheel.  In any
> case groups are made up of individuals.  Even more interesting than visiting
> some site to vicariously follow and discuss the happenings of one person
> would be a group dynamic where people all interact with each other in a more
> social setting.
>
>
>>>> Your idea about some sort of auction site that gives a discount to
>>>> those using the language is a good one though.
>>>
>>> That's because I'm appealing to one of the most fundamental motivators of
>>> people, greed.
>>
>> As does the potential for large and steady traffic to one's site. Only
>> the currency is different.
>
> It depends on the person's motivation for having the site.  I'd imagine that
> someone who would go to the extreme of learning another language to satisfy
> his own vanity is probably someone others might  find more arrogant than
> interesting.  The only other type maybe would be a propoganda site by
> someone who is trying to promote their own personal religious, political or
> social agenda.  Topics like this aren't good for anything other than
> starting flame wars.
>



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