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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 3

CONLANG August 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Possible origins for aspiration

From:

TOms Deimonds Barvidis <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:28:10 +0300

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Quoting Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>:

> 1. As you wrote below, you could derive aspirates from consonant + / 
> h/, or /h/ + consonant; the /h/ itself could come from a similar  
> sound, like /x/ or /s/.

In a small group of closely related conlangs I have created - the Dargadrill Group, 
aspirations of Darandare Dargadrill and Ecaline Dargadrill comes from /s/ + 
Consonant, which was, for a certain amount of time, inverted to Consonant + /s/, and 
followed the the change of /s/ to /h/, producing aspirated stops.

So, 
Proto-Dargadrill /*pastaor/ >> Old Darandarde Darg. /patsaor/ >> Darandarde Darg. 
/pat_haor/
 
> 2. You could have voiceless vowels, and have them develop into  
> aspiration + voiced vowel (or voiced vowel + preaspiration). For  
> example, /ki_0/ > /k_hi/.
> 
> Voiceless vowels, in turn, could develop from voiced ones in certain  
> positions, like between two voiceless consonants, or after a voiceless  
> consonant at the end of an utterance. Caveats: high vowels are more  
> likely to be devoiced than lower ones, and systems with pitch accent  
> or tone (ISTR) do not distinguish pitch or tone in voiceless vowels.  
> Also, since voiceless vowels usually occur adjacent to voiceless  
> consonants, this wouldn't help you develop murmured consonants, unless  
> there was some further change in some consonants.
> 
> 3. Aspiration could depend initially on position and stress, as in  
> English, but those conditioning factors would later be lost. E.g., the  
> stress could shift (just how this happens is something I'm very  
> curious and unknowledgeable about), meaning aspiration would no longer  
> be correlated with stress.
> 
> One conlang I know of has a rule that stops after /s/ are all  
> unaspirated, and then the /s/ drops. But that conlang already has an  
> aspiration contrast before those rules take effect.
> 
> 4. You could have extensive borrowing from and mixing with languages  
> which do have an aspiration contrast. I think that's thought to be  
> responsible for many of the voiceless aspirates in Indic (although  
> some instances do have plausible IE etymologies).
> 
> >> Can a vowel interfere (1), or
> >> I will need some other consonant to get it (2)? The first option
>  
> >> sounds much
> >> more elegant to me.
> >>
> >> (1)
> >> tVr > ? > thVr
> >> rVd > ? > rVdh
> >
> >
> > rather:
> >
> > tVra > ? > tHVr
> > radV > ? > radH
> 
> I'm not sure of the reason for the development of aspiration here.  
> Which vowels condition it?
> 
> (That I don't see how the vowels condition aspiration here is not  
> necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes certain sounds condition other  
> sounds, but without any known motivation; one example I remember is  
> that Avestan /ax/ becomes /aNx/.)
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >>
> >> (2)
> >> tahár > thar > tHar
> >> rádah > radh > radH
> >>
> >> Edgard.
> >>

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