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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 3

CONLANG August 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: IPA & Conlangs (Was Re: A spoken-only conlang)

From:

Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:22:13 -0500

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No, there were never any geminate trills in the language, partly because I
had very little knowledge of linguistics when I made the proto-Jorayn in
grade 10~12, and the voicing process is synchronic in the modern language
(by which I mean productive). The only word medial voiceless trills are in
clusters.

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Paul Roser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:19:54 -0500, Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >Whoops, the bilabial trill is voiceless [B\_0], but for some reason I
> missed
> >adding the diacritic. Acctually I almost forgot it's even in the phoneme
> >system, because it's a very rare sound,
> >[B\_0] < [p:]
> >and /p:/ only existed in proto-Jorayn in the inflectional paradigm, so
> >/B\_0/ is only found in active verbs showing quintuple person agreement.
>
> In natlangs it was originally theorized that bilabial trills originated
> from
> the sequence /mbu/, but more recent research suggests that the two
> necessary requirements would be lax lip closure plus sufficient airflow to
> generate the Bernouilli effect. Certainly a geminate /pp/ could become lax
> enough, and I think any following high vowel, /i, ɨ, u/, would generate
> sufficient pressure to cause trilling (rounded lips are not necessary,
> since
> one can readily make a rounding distinction in labial trills, though I
> think
> only one natlang, Fas in West Sepik Province, Papua New Guinea, makes
> this distinction).
>
> Since the voiceless vowels become voiced between voiced segments,
> does Jorayn have medial voiceless trills derived from geminate trills,
> eg /BB, rr, RR, rRrR/?
>
>
> -Bfowol
>

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