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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 3

CONLANG August 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Big numbers (was: Postman Pat)

From:

Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:54:04 -0500

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On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:00 AM, R A Brown<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > Now in my 71st year of living in RightPondia, I never recall actually
> > hearing the word used in speech and, indeed, have rarely seen it in
> print. I
> > think the ordinary 'person in the street over here in 2009 wouldn't know
> > what you meant if you used the word.
>
> Interesting.  Well, I did say "traditional".
>
> > When I was was a youngster, many moons ago,
>
> ...no more than 878 moons ago, given your first statement...
>
> > 1000 million was just "a thousand million" and a "billion' was a million
> million.
> > But some time  during the 1970s IIRC things began to change. In the word
> of finance
> > & economics, the American use of 'billion' = 1000 million became common
> place
> > and IIRC was made official at some point to avoid confusion.
>
> I recall hearing that the American usage was official in financial
> circles, but didn't realize how much it had taken over the Anglophone
> world.  According to Wikipedia
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales) it's been
> official in the UK since 1974, though its officialdom in Australia
> only dates since sometime after 1999, and pretty much the entire
> English-speaking world now uses the smaller-"billion" system ("échelle
> courte").  That including the English-speaking parts of officially
> multilingual spots such as Canada, where the French system is "échelle
> longue."  No confusion there!
>

I've never run into any confusion since about 5th grade, being part of the
immersion system, at least not with the milliard/billion system, but people
regularly confuse mille/million. A large public lottery ran an add
specifying a prize of 1000000 dollars in English (million) and 1000 in
French (mille).


>
> > Maybe - but American influence has prevailed this time  ;)
>
> Well, you know, people make fun of Americans for laboring under the
> impression that we're the only nation on the planet, so we're trying
> to fix that mistake -  by actually becoming the only nation on the
> planet.  Here's another milestone down that path....
>
> Thanks for the insight.
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>
>

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