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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 3

CONLANG August 2009, Week 3

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Re: Naming days of the week (was: Punctuation, capitalization, collation)

From:

Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:25:21 +0800

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The Chinese concept of the week only arrived with Westerners, of course.
Before, months were divided into thirds, called 旬 "xún", so one had the
upper xun, middle xun and lower xun of a month, each ten days. Further, each
day of the month was not only numbered, but also labelled according to the
traditional Heaven-and-Earth sexagenary cycle.
Hence days would be referred to by month, day and stem-branch.

Eugene

2009/8/19 R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

> Philip Newton wrote:
>
>> 2009/8/17 Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>>> Many natlangs have only numbers for the days of the week (or most of
>>> them)... Arabic and Hebrew, for instance.  Japanese, too, I think.
>>>
>>
>> Chinese does this (Day 1 to Day 6 + Day Heaven).
>>
>
> Yes it does, Day 1 being Monday, Day 6 Saturday and "Day
> heaven" Sunday.
>
> Chinese also just numbers the months: Month 1 = January,
> Month 2 = February etc.
>
> Dutton in his Speedwords also does this; the months are L1,
> L2, L3 etc (Jan, Feb, March etc; 'lu' = month), and the days
> of the week are D1, D2, D3 etc, but unlike Chinese, "Day 1"
> is 'Sunday', "D2" 'Monday' etc.
>
> And there's the rub. While all who use the western
> (Gregorian) Calendar will agree that the first month of the
> year is January, there is not agreement as to the first day
> of the week. For millennia among those using the seven-day
> week of Semitic origin, Sunday was the first day. This is seen in the
> Portuguese, Greek & Arabic practice of naming Monday through to Thursday:
> 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th. Both Portuguese & Greek name Sunday "Lord's day", and
> Saturday "sabbath"; the Portuguese call Friday the 6th day, whereas the
> Greeks call it "preparation" [of sabbath]. In Arabic, Sunday is simply 'the
> 1st day', but Friday and Saturday are _juma'a_ "meeting [day]" and _sabt_
> "sabbath."
>
> But in some traditions,e.g. example the Chines above, Monday is the 1st
> day, and it is so according the ISO (In 1971 Britain officially adopted the
> ISO system; but die-hards like me ignore it   ;)
>
> In Swahili we find yet another numbering system. Friday is _Ijuma_ (from
> Arabic _juma'a_), and the subsequent days are numbered from, thus Saturday
> is _Jumamosi_ (juma 1), Sunday _Jumapili_ (juma 2), Monday _Jumatatu_ (juma
> 3) etc - tho Thursday, the eve of the Muslim holy day, retains the Arabic
> named _Alhamisi_ ('the 5th' in Arabic).
>
> I suspect also that other systems for numbering days of the week also
> occur. The point is that there is now not one consistent system. For an
> artlang or a engelang, this is not, I guess, particularly relevant. But
> Speedwords was meant to be an auxlang - but by numbering the days as he did,
> Dutton was aligning himself to the traditional numbering of the Abrahamic
> religions and ignoring people like the Chinese and the ISO (which, however,
> did not, I think, exist in Dutton's day).
>
> Altho Piashi is essentially an engelang, it nevertheless in theory should
> be a possible auxlang. I therefore, think that altho Piashi will name the
> months in the same sort of way as in Chinese, i.e. simply numbered 1 - 12,
> the days of the week will have to be done differently.
>
> > Japanese names the
>
>> days by Sun + Moon + the five classical elements (Fire, Water, Wood,
>> Metal, Earth). (Or, alternatively, by Sun + Moon + the five classical
>> planets (Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn), since e.g. "Fire
>> Star" is the name for Mars. The Japanese week is, therefore,
>> isomorphic to (e.g.) the French one.)
>>
>
> Yes, it is probable that Piashi will adopt a similar system.
>
> --
> Ray
> ==================================
> http://www.carolandray.plus.com
> ==================================
> Frustra fit per plura quod potest
> fieri per pauciora.
> [William of Ockham]
>

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