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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 3

CONLANG August 2009, Week 3

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Re: Punctuation, capitalization, collation

From:

Lee <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:59:45 -0400

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:09:40 -0700, Lee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>--- On Mon, 8/17/09, Ph.D. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> From: Ph.D. <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Punctuation, capitalization, collation
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:21 PM
>> Adam Walker wrote:
>> >
>> > Mark J. Reed wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And can you have a proper pronoun? How do you
>> categorize the Christian practice of capitalizing pronouns
>> when they refer to God or Jesus (but
>> >> not, IME, the Holy Spirit. The black sheep of the
>> >> Trinity?) ?
>> >
>> > Really?  I don't believe I've ever come across
>> this in nearly thirty years of regular attendance at
>> churches or in my frequent consumption of Christian
>> literature. I've always seen pronouns referring to the Holy
>> Spirit capitalized just like those referring specifically to
>> other Persons of the Godhead.  I do come across
>> instances (especially in church bulletins and overhead
>> projections) where the pronoun has not been correctly
>> capitalized, but I've always considered them errors through
>> lack of good education or inattention to detail just like
>> the misspellings and typos in same.
>>
>>
>> FWIW, the style manual of the University of Chicago Press
>> (widely used by many other publishers) recommends
>> using lowercase for pronouns referring to God or Jesus
>> or the Holy Spirit, unless it's in a position which would
>> be ambiguous. I just checked the King James Bible and
>> the Revised Standard Version. Both use "he" to refer to God
>> in chapter one of Genesis before Man has been created.
>>
>> --Ph. D.
>
>Very curious. I've always seen all three names of the Trinity capitalized,
but pronouns are a different story.
>
>Except for in the Bible itself, I used to always see personal pronouns
referring to God/Trinity capitalized, up until about the time "gender
neutral" versions of the Bible started being cranked out. Now, I only see
those personal pronouns capitalized to avoid ambiguity (e.g., "He" and "he"
used in same sentence). So, apparently current usage matches how English
translations have done it for centuries.
>
>Lee
>

* Preempting possible bad feelings over "gender neutral," I put the term in
quotes because I've seen it used in quite a range of ways, so what it
exactly encompasses is, well, a bit vague.

Lee

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