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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 3

CONLANG August 2009, Week 3

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Re: Punctuation, capitalization, collation

From:

Njenfalgar <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:39:33 +0200

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2009/8/14 Paul Hartzer <[log in to unmask]>

> ----- Original Message ----
>
> > From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>
> > look at English, French and German to see three different ways of
> > quoting
>
> Plus, French has multiple ways of quoting, even within the same document.
> It (as you're no doubt aware, but for the edification of others...) uses a
> double-em dash at the beginning of a paragraph to indicate that the entire
> paragraph is a quote, and the double angle brackets for an inline quote.
> Sometimes though, these are also used for an entire paragraph; I'm reading
> Le Petit Prince now, and chapter VIII uses double-em for related dialogue
> and angle brackets for contemporaneous-to-the-story dialog, while chapter V
> uses double-em for contemporaneous-to-the-story dialogue. In contrast, J.-C.
> Grangé's Les Rivières pourpres uses double-em for all dialogue and double
> angle brackets for inline emphatic ("scare") quotes (p. 118 of Le Livre de
> Poche edition) and one section of someone reading verbatim from a report
> (chapter 11). Also, phrases like "dit-il" ("he said") aren't specifically
> marked outside of the quotation marks as they are in English.
>
> To confuse things even more, Le Roi Babar uses the angle brackets to
> indicate that an entire passage is dialogue, then uses the double-em to
> indicate when the speaker changes, without using paragraph breaks (p. 27 of
> the lutin poche edition):
>
>
> Après avoir
> installé les petits elle s’occupe des grands et leur demande : « Trois
> fois trois ? —Huit, répond Arthur. —Mais non, neuf, dit sa voisine
> Ottilie. —Neuf, j’ai un chapeau neuf, chante Zéphir. —Neuf, répète Arthur,
> je
> n’oublierai plus, Madame. »Ultimately, it appears to be somewhat up to the
> tastes of the author and publisher.
>
> I note that German largely uses the double angle / inverted quotation marks
> in the same way that English uses the quotation marks, with UK scope, with
> the exception that commas are required between a quote and a locution
> clause, even when there's terminal punctuation inside the quotation mark
> (quotation-internal periods are excluded in this position). This isn't
> needed when there's no locution clause. To Carsten's point, Microsoft Word
> uses inverted quotations marks (not double angle brackets) when German is
> selected as the language. Examples from K. Gier's die Muetter-Mafia (Bastei
> Lubbe edition):
>
> »Es ist kein Trick«, betreuerte
> ich. (74)
> »Ach so.«(89)
> »Ich dachte, du bist geschieden?«(89)
> »Woher weißt du das denn
> alles?«, fragte ich. (144)
> The Spanish books I have at hand, children's books, use double-em and set
> locution clauses apart with parenthetical double-ems. From Puss in Boots /
> El gato con botas (Chronicle Books bilingual edition), fourth page of text:
>
>
> —¿Quétengo que hacer? —preguntóel amo.
> —Ve a bañarte al río —contestóel gato—. Y esconde tus ropas.(These books
> were selected on the basis of them being within handy reach of where I'm
> sitting, so I didn't have to get up. ;) Babar and Puss in Boots are for
> reading to my son.)
>
>
>
>
>
To add to the collection of natlangs: Vietnamese does it like French, except
that the "he said" and the like are not mixed with speech. Thus one gets:
«Blabla.» He said. And even
—Blabla.
He said.

-- 
Tsai-dnuynserfi beo!

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