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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 3

CONLANG August 2009, Week 3

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Re: Possible origins for aspiration

From:

Edgard Bikelis <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:52:56 -0300

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On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Edgard Bikelis wrote:
> I have a proto-language without aspirated consonants, and I need to get
> them, but how? The language has P T K voiceless and voiced, and I want to
> have a sanskrit-like result, with voiceless aspirate and murmured voiced
> consonants. In english it's conditioned by position, and only with
> voiceless
> occlusives, but I need them to be everywhere. Can a vowel interfere (1), or
> I will need some other consonant to get it (2)? The first option sounds
> much
> more elegant to me.
>
> (1)
> tVr > ? > thVr
> rVd > ? > rVdh
>
> (2)
> tahár > thar > tHar
> rádah > radh > radH
> =========================
>
> I think (2) is by far the more likely. Perhaps other consonant sequences
> could work-- C+s maybe (esp. if s > h), maybe identical C with the 2nd C >
> aspirated if it is post-tonic (or pre-tonic) like tátar > táthar , tatár >
> tathár (but that would have been allophonic at first; you'd need some way to
> make it contrastive/phonemic). Or also, final C might be aspirated as a sort
> of release feature, then become phonemic by some process..........
>
> Of course Skt. aspirates arise from several sources: the Vd.asp. < PIE,
> Vl.asp < PIE C+laryngeal IIRC (as well as some vd.asp. too, I think)
>
> Your first option might require a lot of thought :-))); I can't think of
> any good reason why an intrisically voiced vowel would cause aspiration.
> Perhaps your proto-language had voiceless, whispered, or breathy vowels????


Whispered vowels are a very good idea.

I thought about this through the day:

1) accent on the first vowel of the root, then pretonic aspiration (CVCV >
C_hVCV), then apocope of the second vowel (C_hVC), then aspiration of
occlusives in auslaut (C_hVC_h). The voice would define which occlusives get
the aspiration, so:

CVCV > C_hVC_h
GVCV > GVC_h
CVGV > C_hVG

I think the language must be isolating then, and the sandhi effects of this
are a bit ugly.

2)

Cu > c_w@
Ci > C_j@
Ca > [log in to unmask] Never heard of anything like this.

3) Palatalization into aspiration?

Ci > C_j@ > [log in to unmask]  Never heard of such thing.

4) Shortening of long vowels with compensatory preaspiration, then
metathesis?

Ca:C > Cah_C > Cah_C_h > CaC_h

5) Having aspiration from the start? ; ). It's curious that chinese and PIE
have aspiration from the (reconstructible) start. Maybe I could use
something like the glottalic theory, but then I would need to explain why
they got glottalized, anyway. And I don't like glottal stops. And if I speak
the ejectives I recently learnt from armenian, my cats start staring at me,
and I don't see this as a good omen.

Edgard.

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