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CONLANG  August 2009, Week 4

CONLANG August 2009, Week 4

Subject:

Re: IPA & Conlangs (Was Re: A spoken-only conlang)

From:

Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:48:36 +0800

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What And brought up reminds me of my sister, whose pronunciation of words
like "stripe" and "street" has been [s`r\ajp] and [s\r\i:t] for as long as I
can remember. She's 13 this year and hasn't been able to de-conflate the
consonants in that specific cluster (probably because they're all
dental/alveolar and easy to blend together).
Eugene

2009/8/22 And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

> Paul Roser, On 16/08/2009 15:46:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:19:54 -0500, Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Whoops, the bilabial trill is voiceless [B\_0], but for some reason I
>>> missed
>>> adding the diacritic. Acctually I almost forgot it's even in the phoneme
>>> system, because it's a very rare sound,
>>> [B\_0] < [p:]
>>> and /p:/ only existed in proto-Jorayn in the inflectional paradigm, so
>>> /B\_0/ is only found in active verbs showing quintuple person agreement.
>>>
>>
>> In natlangs it was originally theorized that bilabial trills originated
>> from the sequence /mbu/, but more recent research suggests that the two
>> necessary requirements would be lax lip closure plus sufficient airflow to
>> generate the Bernouilli effect. Certainly a geminate /pp/ could become lax
>> enough, and I think any following high vowel, /i, ɨ, u/, would generate
>> sufficient pressure to cause trilling (rounded lips are not necessary, since
>> one can readily make a rounding distinction in labial trills, though I think
>> only one natlang, Fas in West Sepik Province, Papua New Guinea, makes this
>> distinction).
>>
>
> In English (that inexhaustible source of exotica to which I ever return),
> one finds among some children and adults [B\] and [B\_0] as realizations of
> /br/ and /pr/. If that happened in an isolated community, one can readily
> imagine it becoming phonemicized (cf. how in English /zj/ realized as [Z]
> led to /Z/).
>
> --And.
>

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