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CONLANG  September 2009, Week 1

CONLANG September 2009, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Three conlangs for the price of two

From:

Vasiliy Chernov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:09:36 -0400

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(Sorry for duplicating my previous message - the list's web interface must
be treated with caution...)

I must confess that what prevents me from contributing to this project right
now is your langage's phoneme inventory. Tastes differ, you know :)

Here's what I've found so far (bracketed digits are numbers of occurrences):

palatals&like: ɲ (32); c (20); ɟ (18); s (21); ʎ (15);
labials: m (13); p (14); b (3); 
alveolar/dental: n (1)
(no vowel onsets, BTW)

vowels: ɒ (42); y (30); ɯ (9)

I suspect "n" is a typo. Otherwise I'd say the consonants look weird but cool.

It's the vowels I have trouble with. I believe it's not without a reason
that "front labialized" and "back non-labialized" are considered more marked
than the other way round. Still, I can imagine a natlang that avoids
labialized articulations as such. But having both [y] and [ɯ] without [i]
and/or [u] is a bit too much for this poor guy :)

I hereby submit an official request for a revision: that [i] be substituted
for [y].

Do you think you can compromise here?

The wordlist I used (I could overlook something):

[ɟym]; [mɒs]; [mɒɟyɟ]; [sɯsɯɲ]; [ɟɒɲ]; [cɯɲ]; [ʎycɒɲ]; [ɲɒɲɒɲ]; [pɯɟ];
[cɒsɒɲ]; [syʎ]; [ʎɒʎ]; [cɒɲ]; [cɒɟ]; [mɒɲ]; [sysyc]; [ʎɒm]; [ɟɒs]; [pyɲ];
[sɒɲ]; [sɒb]; [pɒpɒɲ]; [pycɒs]; [ɲyɲ]; [pycɯʎ]; [ɲyɟ]; [pɒcɒp]; [ɲɒp];
[cyɲyc]; [ɲɒɲɒɟ]; [syp]; [ɲɒsyb]; [cyɲɒs]; [myɲ]; [syɲɒc]; [ʎɯʎɯɟ]; [pyɲyɟ];
[ɟɒʎɒɟ]; [mɯɲ]; [pɒpɒɲ]; [mys]; [cyʎyɲ]; [nɒɟ]; [ɲyc]; [pyc]; [mɒm]; [ɲyʎ];
[ɟyc]; [ʎyc]; [cɒʎɒɲ]; [bɒsɯɲ]; [ʎɒmɒɟ]; [cɒʎ]; [mɒɟɒm]; [sɒsys]; [syɟ].

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:57:05 +0100, Peter Bleackley wrote:

>Here are the wordlists. The pronunciation of the first column is as follows
>
>The simple vowels a/e/i/o/u have their generic values.
>"y" = schwa, never stressed in words of more than one syllable.
>"oe", "ue" are umlauted.
>Double vowels are long and perhaps with an off-glide.
>"kh", "gh", "sh" are the usual fricatives.
>"hl" is the lateral fricative.
>
>
>ritual	kaalys	[ɟym]
>rub	hef	[mɒs]
>reveal	ghest	[mɒɟyɟ]
>butterfly	marni	[sɯsɯɲ]
>shoulder	vyn	[ɟɒɲ]
>neck	plagh	[cɯɲ]
>interesting thing	bavlashee	[ʎycɒɲ]
>"require, demand"	stue	[ɲɒɲɒɲ]
>stone	eil	[pɯɟ]
>six	ryt	[cɒsɒɲ]
>"request, plead"	wesde	[syʎ]
>keep	ok	[ʎɒʎ]
>mouth	myhaa	[cɒɲ]
>and 	du	[cɒɟ]
>day 	yru	[mɒɲ]
>heir	atsaa	[sysyc]
>purple	tawym	[ʎɒm]
>reason 	palui	[ɟɒs]
>wand	trevyk	[pyɲ]
>finger	bai 	[sɒɲ]
>ox-drawn wagon	kliaf	[sɒb]
>walk 	srar	[pɒpɒɲ]
>pastry 	rib	[pycɒs]
>such that 	eelir	[ɲyɲ]
>stirrup	wiis	[pycɯʎ]
>wicked	perkh	[ɲyɟ]
>health	isvei	[pɒcɒp]
>open	nah	[ɲɒp]
>build 	rastil	[cyɲyc]
>oath	tyva	[ɲɒɲɒɟ]
>suck	hlip	[syp]
>nose	baan	[ɲɒsyb]
>boot	degel	[cyɲɒs]
>neither/nor	par/par	[myɲ]
>marsh	speget	[syɲɒc]
>sole	smailuts	[ʎɯʎɯɟ]
>spread	tart	[pyɲyɟ]
>road	shal	[ɟɒʎɒɟ]
>armpit	tookh	[mɯɲ]
>sledge	remekh	[pɒpɒɲ]
>home	suhm	[mys]
>saffron	ilva	[cyʎyɲ]
>"hinder, obstruct"	mpanyee	[nɒɟ]
>navel	riyab	[ɲyc]
>child 	loeiki	[pyc]
>chant	hanirt	[mɒm]
>silt	blamut	[ɲyʎ]
>short 	kyt	[ɟyc]
>ear	ygen	[ʎyc]
>fate	dyr	[cɒʎɒɲ]
>north	keirik	[bɒsɯɲ]
>fire	hesh	[ʎɒmɒɟ]
>burn	ndal	[cɒʎ]
>"fire, bake "	laig	[mɒɟɒm]
>hear 	nueh	[sɒsys]
>bow	fraat	[syɟ]
>steal	rikh	[nɒb]
>thief	rikhnee	[pɒɟ]
>earn	weim	[ɲɒɟ]
>enemy	uunrag	[ʎɒɟ]
>confuse	sfidepet	[bɒɲyɟ]
>mortar 	hlipadee	[mɒɟ]
>sound 	nul	[ɲys]
>wind 	tebet	[symɒs]
>"all, whole "	sei	[cɯc]
>year 	tighon	[sɒɲ]
>jet	boei	[mɯs]
>gentle	faali	[pys]
>"sign, write"	lakh	[ʎyɟ]
>"tolerate, forbear "	pyriheen
>usual 	anvyn	[mɯmɯɟ]
>buy	klapat	[cɒm]
>paternal aunt	shtin	[sɯb]
>heart	byrem	[ɟɯɟɯm]
>come 	pal	[pɒɲ]
>believe (sincerely or well-foundedly) 	hin	[cym]
>embrace	roeg	[symɒɟ]
>friend	teem	[cɯmɯɟ]
>lip	byv	[cɒcɒɲ]
>"bet, wager"	epegh	[ɲɒsɒɟ]
>skill 	keir	[cɒsɯs]
>"arm, equip"	wahag	[pɒʎ]
>flat	hlin	[mysyp]
>moist	dabal	[cyʎɒm]
>surface 	ueshek	[cym]
>"stream, brook"	mrem	[sɒcɯm]
>wrist	perhat	[cys]
>eyelash	klai	[ɟɒɟɒɲ]
>knife	tukh	[mɯɟyɲ]
>water	yohm	[sɒʎ]
>follow	tsee	[cyɟ]
>
>Pete

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