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CONLANG September 2009, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Half-rounded vowels?

From:

Lee <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:59:55 -0700

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--- On Sat, 9/5/09, Lee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Lee <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Half-rounded vowels?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 10:04 PM
> --- On Sat, 9/5/09, <deinx
> nxtxr> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: <deinx nxtxr> <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Half-rounded vowels?
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 9:35 PM
> > Lee wrote:
> > > --- On Sat, 9/5/09, <deinx nxtxr> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >> From: <deinx nxtxr> <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject:
> > >> Half-rounded vowels? To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date:
> > >> Saturday, September 5, 2009, 6:30 PM Anybody
> have
> > any half or
> > >> partially rounded vowels in their languages?
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > My /a/ is center, open/near-open, semi-rounded.
> The
> > front and
> > > near-front vowels are unrounded, while the backs
> and
> > near-backs
> > > are rounded.
> > 
> > Yes, this is kind of what I've been wondering.  What
> > I'm thinking about doing is making a connection
> between
> > rounding and backness so that the back vowels are
> fully
> > rounded, front vowels unrounded and central vowels
> are
> > half-rounded.
> > 
> > I think I may define the vowels this way for Deini,
> but
> > with [ə] always unrounded.  So that would leave me
> > with these vowels and /ɨ/ would be realized somwhere
> > between [ɨ] and [ʉ].
> > 
> >     / i e a ə ɨ o u /
> > 
> 
> Actually, I've been wavering on the "right" pronunciation
> for my /a/. Completely unrounded or semi? Nudge it back or
> forward? Briefly, I was going with a very sloppy /a/, with
> any combination of open to mid, front to back, unrounded to
> rounded allowed. That seemed a bit extreme, so I made the
> official pronunciation smack dab in the middle.
> 
> BTW, here's the whole chart so you can compare (view in
> mono font).
> 
>            
>    front   near-front 
> center  near-back  back
> closed          /i/   
>                
>                 /w/
> near-closed             
>   /y/             
>   /u/
> mid-closed      /e/     
>                
>               /o/
> mid
> mid-open
> near open             
>               /a/
> open
> 
> /y/ i in pit
> /u/ u in put
> /w/ oo in moon
> the rest are as usual
> /w y/ are shorter in duration, compared to the rest
> 
> Lee
>
 
Good grief, have I lost my mind? Must be all the translating today...

               front   near-front  center  near-back  back
closed         i = /i/                                w = /u/
near-closed             y = /I/             u = /U/
mid-closed     e = /e/                                o = /o/
mid
mid-open
near open                          a = /6/
open

y u, /I U/ are shorter in duration, compared to the rest
front, near-front unrounded
central semi-rounded
near-back, back rounded

Incidentally, my y /i in pit/ was originally closed center /i\/, but later I ran across a pronunciation site with example words (as well as audio?) that showed it at near-closed near-front /I/ position. So that's how my vowel chart ended up being so symmetrical.

As you might guess, no w nor y on my consonant chart....

Lee


      

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