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CONLANG  September 2009, Week 3

CONLANG September 2009, Week 3

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Re: A Phonology of Little Distinction

From:

Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:57:59 -0400

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On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:51:52 -0700, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Just for fun, and connected with no particular project, here's a goofy
>phonology I was playing around with. Think of it as from some distant
>planet where the non-human intelligent species has a different sort of
>vocal apparatus 

I'm with Larry on this one -- there's not really anything humanly unnatural
there, at least not individually.  Probably the strangest thing is that you
don't quite systematically not have a voicing distinction; of the pairs that
differ in voicing, only [f v] and [T D] don't belong to the same phoneme.  

At a higher level, it's kind of unexpected that a nonhuman species of
different productive capacity nonetheless makes sounds that can be
identified with phones we can produce...

>The letters [...] th-voiced (spelled q)

I know what you're getting at, but this terminology is kinda disorienting:
the letter(s) "th" (voiced) are spelled "q"?  (Those strings don't compare
equal!)

>The basic alphabet consists of 17 letters: a b d e f g h i j l m n o s
>u v y. Substitutions may be made as listed above.

Why voiced basic spellings for the plosives but not for /s/?

On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:55:13 -0400, Kelvin Jackson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
[I've edited the brackets]
>How about keeping the voicing and manner of articulation
>distinctions, but eliminating place of articulation as a phonemic
>distinction? So you would have one phoneme that could be realized as
>any of [p t k], one that could be [b d g], etc. 

That's a little freakier.  But Piraha~ does something reminiscent: although
/p/ and /k/ (if that's a phoneme) and /?/ are distinct phonemes (i.e. I take
it there are minimal pairs out there), there are a fair number of words in
which they freely alternate.  Everett calls this the "sloppy phoneme
effect".  For instance 'head' is /CaCaCai_H/ where each /C/ can be [k] or
[p] or [?].  Oddly, although Piraha~ has /t/ as well, it doesn't participate.  

  http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003175.html
has some interesting discussion of how this may be related to the fact
Piraha~ is very often whistled or hummed or ... as opposed to being spoken. 

Alex

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