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CONLANG  September 2009, Week 3

CONLANG September 2009, Week 3

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Re: OT: learning to say [r]

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:17:34 -0400

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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm in the process of trying to become fluent in Spanish too.

¡Bienvenido al club!  :)

> Yeah, but it a very fast autorepeat.  I'm sure it takes some practice.

Well, yeah, but that's what the 'auto' is for.  If you actively try to
say [4444444444....], you'll just wear yourself out. Let the air do
the flapping for you; the tongue is just a victim. :)

> Any child with access to a native that he can hear on a regular basis to
> mimick is going to be on the right track assuming he sticks with it and has
> enough ongoing contact.

That's my hope.

>This is Chileno!  It's spoken very quickly and tends to
> elide a lot of consonants, especially final /s/ and the /d/ in the
> participle endings (-ado/-ada -> [ao]/[a:]).  The news programs hoever tend
> to stick to a more standardized variety.

Is final -s really elided?  IME it usually reduces to [h] rather than
disappearing completely.  Likewise the intervocalic /d/ which would
normally be [D] gets softened to the point where it's almost
inaudible, but there is still a little something between the two [a]s
in -ada.

The interesting thing about Connor's Spanish is that the teacher seems
to be combatting the tendency to pronounce [e] as English "long a"
([ej]/[eI]/[ei]) by teaching that it's [E].  Combined with the
American /r/, this practice means that his "tres" sounds just like the
English "tress", which  - while better than Peggy Hill's
Southern-drawl "trace" - still sounds very strange to me.





-- 
Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>

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