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CONLANG October 2009, Week 3

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Re: Features you would want to see in a conlang editor

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Mechthild Czapp <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Re: Features you would want to see in a conlang editor
 
> When I was writing my master's thesis, I used vim to write in LaTeX.
> That wasn't an option to many of my co-students, I saw them struggle
> with MSWord...
>

LaTeX is awesome. :) 
 
> When writing in the linguistics field there are many, lets call them
> typographical memes, that aren't used in other fields. One is
> interlinears. Then there's the correct way to number examples, how to
> put an interlinear in an example, the tree-diagrams, the
> bracket-diagrams in LFG, HPSG..., OT-tables, the symbols needed for
> Montague semantics, the sometimes absurdly long footnotes, that you
> basically always use (Author-lastname Year)-style citations etc. etc.
> 
> This is all easy to do in LaTeX, which has many enthusiastic linguist
> users who have made linguistics-tailored libraries and packages and
> systems, but LaTeX  is not so easy to get started with. It might
> therefore be a boon to conlangers (and linguists!) to get better tools
> to write about language, for instance web-based tools, or, say, an
> interlinear editor for MSWord...

I did not plan to write for M$ software, because I can bear Windows all of 5 minutes before screaming at the stupid thing.

I know not that much about linguistic per-se because I am only an amateur. Thus I mainly tried to cater to people who want to write/translate something in/into their conlangs, ie bfore LaTeX has anything to format ;)

> 
> > My ideas were that the current sentence gets syntax hilightung so 
> > that errors in agreements etc are visible instantaneously, /../
> 
> This is hard enough to do in a natlang ;) Might be easy to do for
> engelangs, but remember that conlang grammars are often in flux, and
> there are too few examples to reverse-engineer a grammar out of. The
> potential span of possibilities is also just about infinitely large. It
> is easy enough to make a syntax-highlighter for a single language that
> you know very well, but a generalized solution for any possible
> conlang... well, call me when your generalized AI is up and running :)
> then again, "perfect is the enemy of good".
> 
OTOH, conlangs, at least the ones I saw so far avoid the number of irregularities that grace/plague natlangs. My idea was to use a form of pattern matching. 

I did not plan to make it for all conlangs, but to have the user input/import the language specs which are required. 

To explain this for Lajik (one of my more complicated conlangs)
Isava jakam Sujinhes sukali.
(Be_in.FUT.3PL.ANIM they.ANIM LOC.Jinhes LOC.city)
The verb does not immediately resemble Aisikju, but the rule 
"[Verbclass 1, Future, 3rd person plural, animated] V(V/1)XCVkju => (V/1)XCava" could resolve it back to VisVkju, which could be resolved back to aisikju in the dictionary.

I am aware that it guesses occasionally wrong and has to store the right form in these cases. 

> You need to think about scope here: how much time do you have to spend
> and what level of sophistication is expected?
>
Until mid-April, and atm, I am haggling with my project tutor about the required level of sophistication ;) 
> 
> t. (disclaimer: have commited natlang-parsers in the past)

-- 
Sanja'xen mi'lanja'kynha ,mi'la'ohix jilih, nka.

My life would be easy if it was not so hard!



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