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CONLANG  October 2009, Week 3

CONLANG October 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Trills

From:

Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:14:34 +0200

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2009/10/19 Kelvin Jackson <[log in to unmask]>

> I'm planning on contrasting three trills (bilabial, alveolar, uvular) in a
> language. Furthermore, each will contrast with an approximant of
> approximately the same POA. Is this reasonable/rational, assuming that I can
> learn to pronounce all of them? The complete phonology looks like this:
>
> Stops: /p b t d k g ?/
> Fricatives: /f v T D s z S Z x h/
> Nasals: /m n N/
> Approximates: /w r\ l j R/
> Trills: /B\ r R\/
>
> Vowels: /i e a o u/
>
> Syllables are limited to CVC, and trills can't come into contact with one
> another.
>

The trills you chose are all quite distinct, from each other and from other
sounds in this phonology, so I don't see why they couldn't be used together.
My only concern is the /R/ - /R\/ distinction. My native language has /R/ as
its rhotic, but in traditional Parisian dialect it is [R\] (Edith Piaf had a
very strong one). In my ear, those are very similar in sound, and mostly I
recognise [R\] from [R] mostly because [R\] tends to be longer. If you have
phonemic length for consonants (or at least geminates), I'm afraid /R:/
would not be easily distinguishable from [R\]. Spanish does contrast /4/ and
/r/ though, so if you don't have phonemic consonant length you probably
could get away with a /R/ - /R\/ contrast.
-- 
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.

http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/

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