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CONLANG  October 2009, Week 5

CONLANG October 2009, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Sidhe language, and elflangs in general

From:

Toms Deimonds Barvidis <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:36:04 +0200

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Quoting "Jörg Rhiemeier" <[log in to unmask]>:
> Hallo!
> 
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:16:18 -0700, Alex Bichsler wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Jörg Rhiemeier 
> > <[log in to unmask]>wrote:  
> > 
> > > Why should a Sidhe language be related to Celtic?  I'd rather
> wager
> > > that it is not obviously related to any human language at all. 
> It
> > > depends on what assumes to be the nature of the Sidhe, though.
> > >
> > 
> > Honestly, I wouldn't expect a Sidhe language to be related to Celtic
> at all,
> > which is why I qualified the statement with "if their language
> is related at
> > all to human languages". -_^  In fact, I might expect a Sidhe
> language (at
> > least for the Sidhe of _Jonathan Stranger & Mr. Norrell_) to
> have "magical
> > components" to it, (i.e. phonemes that would be impossible to
> pronounce with
> > a human mouth without using magic).
> 
> I don't know about the Sidhe of that book, so I cannot comment on what
> kind of language to expect from them.
> 
> >       As to your other points about usual 
> > descriptions of Elvish languages, my general concept of an "elf
> language"
> > mostly agrees with that; it would probably have tone, a large
> vocabulary,
> > lots of agreement, evidentiality, among other foreign-seeming
> qualities.
> > *shrugs*
> 
>One could argue that Quenya and Sindarin would fit human speakers better than
> a race of immortal demigods like Tolkien's Elves.

I think they really are. There is nothing un-humanlish about neither of these languages. It's quit easy for me to 
visualize a human society speaking Sindarin. It's harder to do the same with Quenya, though.

> This page about the elflang Sperethiel from the Shadowrun and Earthdawn
> RPGs
> 
> http://ancientfiles.dumpshock.com/Sperethiel_Dictionary.htm
> 
> begins with the usual lofty buzzwords about Elvish ("runic
> language"
> - what does that mean?  Runes are just an old Germanic alphabet;

I think it could mean "written with runes"

> "perhaps the most complex language on earth"; "very
> efficient
> information transfer"; "over a dozen declensions") - and
> then presents
> which appears to be a language with a seemingly quite humdrum European-
> style grammar.  There is nothing especially intricate or ingenious
> about it.

I managed to see only one declination :) IMHO, Nom., Gen., Dat. and Acc. case system is quit poor for the "most 
complex language on earth"... If it were my tongue, I would've threw at least Locative, Ablative and Allative :)
 
> But perhaps that is too much to expect from an elflang.  We are all just
> human, and designing a truly superhuman language is beyond our
> capacities.

But of course we are (and of course it is)

-- 
In mist and twilight I shall linger
~TDB~

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