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CONLANG  November 2009, Week 3

CONLANG November 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Natlang plausibility in artlanging (long and essayish!) (was: Negative space)

From:

Daniel Bowman <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:12:46 -0700

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>
>
>
> Indeed.  I sometimes feel that there simply is not enough ambiguity
> and irregularity in Old Albic, and I am going to retouch some points
> in order to give the language more depth.  Currently, I am researching
> the prehistory of Proto-Indo-European in order to reconstruct a common
> ancestor of Albic and Indo-European which I shall use to give Albic a
> deep linguistic history running beyond Proto-Albic itself.  (And I will
> be able to branch off even more languages later!)
>

When I began Angosey in high school, I wanted a "perfect language" that
would be simple and unambiguous.  It was only later, after reflecting on the
language's tendency to veer off into strange double meanings and
ambiguities, that I realized that part of what made Angosey *Angosey* was
its complexity and ambiguity.  The reason I called the original thread
"Negative space" was because during my one and only art class, my instructor
described to us the use of negative space and positive space to define the
objects we were trying to capture.

To me, a perfectly unambiguous language (if one exists) would be formless
and soulless.  The opposite end of the spectrum is pure chaos, as was
mentioned earlier, and it would be completely unusable.  This is my opinion
of course, and I think that attempts at unambiguity are actually a worthy
attempt, I just don't consider them in the same category as Angosey.

I can also see how in Old Albic, it might be easy to construct a more
"polished" language from the sourcelangs you derived it from.  I'll be
interested to hear about your systematic research into ambiguity.



>
>
> Some conlangers exploit the non-humanness of their conlang's speakers
> as a cheap excuse for linguistic implausibility.  An example is
> Klingon, where the implausibility of its phoneme inventory is often
> brushed off with the words "The Klingons aren't human!"  If they are
> as much like humans as they are portrayed in the _Star Trek_ TV series,
> one would expect their languages to follow similar constraints as human
> languages do.
>

I suppose I pulled that excuse when trying to explain Angosey's gender-same,
gender-different system by calling them androgynous aliens :P.  Granted, the
whole backstory about their "fall" when they encountered humans was already
formed in my brain, so I didn't just make it up to justify my new grammar.
 Its just that I get so infatuated with a certain idea that it gets
canonized into Angosey with no idea of how to explain it.  The conworld and
the conlang influence each other; and they change to create a more perfect
relation, if that makes sense.


>
> Of course, non-human speakers open up new avenues for conlanging.
> Examples include Dennis M. Moskowitz's Rikchik, who use a visual
> language based on tentacle gestures, or Jeffrey Henning's Fith,
> whose grammar is grounded in the concept of the LIFO stack and
> allows for syntactic transformations far beyond anything found
> in human languages.  That is alienlanging as it ought to be.
>

No kidding.  I wouldn't even know how to begin.


>
>
> Absolutely.  Art always involves a decision what to do and what
> not to do.  This is the reason why many artists write manifestos
> in which they lay down by which principles they create their art.
> Without a set of rules and constraints, art degenerates into chaos.
> Of course, there is no one true way of conlanging, or merely of
> artlanging; but each of us has his ideas on what a good conlang is,
> and attempts to build languages that live up to them.
>

I think that's why artlanging is an intensely introspective process for me.
 Conlanging is a relatively "new" art in the sense that only recently have
we created a community (as opposed to musicians, painters, etc) and the
sense of restrictions, or even categories, of our art is vague.  I don't
mind this because it gives me a lot of freedom, but sometimes I do wonder if
I'm chasing my own tail.



>
>
> > [...] My artlanging is mostly concoction, but the
> > gratification lies in exploration rather than in
> > contraption[^5].
>
> Same with me.  With Albic, I am *exploring* something that feels as if
> it had always been there and only waited for me to discover it.


I recall a thread expressing similar sentiments sometime last year.


>  I could
> have it easier, e.g. by using a random vocabulary generator or just
> drawing morphemes out of thin air.  No, that is not for me.  I want
> something that feels *right*.  It is more like *reconstructing* a lost
> reality than making something new.  It is different, however, with such
> projects as Quetech, the speedtalk engelang.  That's just something I
> construct anew, not something which feels as if it has always been there
> waiting for me to explore it.  (And naturalism is not an issue.  I know
> that the beast is utterly unnatural.)
>
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
>

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