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CONLANG  November 2009, Week 3

CONLANG November 2009, Week 3

Subject:

Re: WHATL Easter (was Re: TAKE update)

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:12:05 +0000

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Mark J. Reed wrote:
> Ray:
> 
>> For the purposes of calculating Easter, the equinox is
>> set at 27th day of Δύστρο (Dystro).
> 
> The Gregoriosian(?) 

Gregorian - after all, we don't say "Gregoriusian"   ;)

> calendar would have necessitated
> Easter calculation reform - do you have a year of
> adoption?  The Gregorian was established *here* in 1582

[snip]

> Just trying to establish a temporal reference basis for
> the Easter tables.

I haven't got to grips with the later history of WHATL. Pope 
Gregorios XIII is only a very thinly disguised Gregorius 
XIII, and the 'Time' page does say the 16th century was the 
time of the change. I suppose really I ought to be a bit 
more imaginative (Another change to make?)

I suppose really I need a list of the Popes of WHATL. I find 
that Bede already noticed in the 8th century that the actual 
vernal equinox had already drifted away from March 21st. I 
do not suppose he was the only to notice.

Really, I guess any time between 8th to 16th centuries 
(WHATL surely wouldn't have left it later than *here*, but 
might have changed earlier).

What date would you like?   :)

==========================================================

Mark J. Reed wrote:
 > Oh, Ray also wrote:
 >> The principle is the same as in our world: the Sunday on 
or after the full
 >>  moon following the Spring equinox.
 >
 > Actually, that's not quite the rule *here*; you got your 
"after" and
 > "on or after" switched.  It's the Sunday after the day of 
the full
 > moon on or after the day of the equinox.

Thanks for the correction. I've made the assumption that in 
WHATL, just as *here*, the Alexandrian method of calculation 
would have been adopted in the early centuries. This is not 
unreasonable as Alexandria would certainly have existed in 
WHATL.

 >
 > The "day of" in the wording is important as well; under 
the proposed
 > new "unified" Easter rules (which no congregation has 
adopted AFAIK),
 > precise astronomical calculations replace the traditional 
tables.
 > Using such calculations, even if the actual time of the 
full moon is
 > before the actual time of the equinox, but they fall on 
the same date
 > (on the reference meridian, which I believe is that of 
Jerusalem),
 > that date counts as the day of the Paschal full moon.

This was proposed as a means of unifying the date of Easter 
in both the western (Catholic & Protestant) Churches and the 
eastern Orthodox Churches. But - and I must tread carefully 
here, keeping the NCNC convention in mind - the Orthodox 
churches are still reluctant to change from the Alexandrian 
method. But this has no relevance for WHATL.

-- 
Ray
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==================================
Nid rhy hen neb i ddysgu.
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