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CONLANG  November 2009, Week 4

CONLANG November 2009, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Non-3rd-person nominal agreement?

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:50:34 -0800

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--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Are there examples in natlangs where
> a noun is used as the subject of
> a non-3p verb?  Something like "We the
> people...ordain" translated
> with the noun "people" as the subject of the 1p verb
> "ordain"?  Nouns
> of direct address used with a 2p
> verb?   It's one of those things that
> seems reasonable but I'm not sure ANADEW.
> 

The opening of the Our Father came immediately to mind, as others have noted.

I think in Spanish (and likely Italian), the usual construction is "nosotros los americanos...[vb. in 1 pl.]," "noi gli americani ...[ditto]"-- but I'm pertty sure that at least in Spanish you can delete the pronoun and have "los americanos Vb-lpl..." or maybe prefereably inverted "Vb-lpl los americanos...."--- and I think Italian works the same.

And of course 2pl can work the same way 'vosotros los hispanos..Vb-2pl' ~ 'Vb-2pl los hispanos...'

I think with Ustedes, (unless the context was very clear) you couldn't delete the pronoun, since then it would be ambiguous for formal-2pl or just 3-pl. 

(Hoping not to hear outraged replies from native Spanish speakers...:-)))

ObConlang: I think potentially one could do this in Kash, but so far the occasion hasn't arisen. ;-)

It would be standard in Prevli but only with a transitive verb; the verb isn't marked for person, but the following Subj+Obj pronoun would do the job:

VERB + PRO[S=lpl+Obj] + subject N-pl (+Obj.noun if present).


      

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