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CONLANG  November 2009, Week 4

CONLANG November 2009, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Phonolgy Question: /e ei ej E/

From:

Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:01:26 +0000

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Um... sorry to be a list noob about this, but how does this phonetic  
script work?
Is /e/ like "let", /ej/ like the Swedish "hej" and (I'm seriously  
guessing here) but are the others something more similar to certain  
dialects of North West England?
/ei/ something akin to "late" (pronounced more like "lay it") and E  
something akin to the lack of schwa in a word like "runner" or lack  
of /i:/ in "runny": that is: "runneh"? More information; about 15  
minutes into the latest episode of Top Gear where Jeremy Clarkson  
attempts to describe Worksop accent ("They're using Cosworth engines,  
or since they're from Sheffield: "Cosseh". That's "Cosseh", like  
you've had a stroke halfway through the word: "Cosseh", so your face  
just falls off").


On 25 Nov 2009, at 03:42, Roger Mills wrote:

> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Catherine Rodgers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> In my conlang Lhenazi, I have /e/
>> phonemically contrasting with /ei/.
>> But my American accent is giving me trouble. I'm tending to
>> say them
>> as [E] and [e.i], respectively, to make them more
>> distinct.
>>
>> Am I correct in assuming it's just English as my L1 that's
>> making this
>> contrast difficult for me to perceive and produce reliably?
>
> Probably; though unless one draws the /ei/ out to almost two  
> syllables, the distinction is hard to hear, IMO.
>
>> Does
>> anyone have natlang examples that do this contrast without
>> issue,
>> preferrably with sound samples I could use for practice?
>> ;)
>
> Spanish le 'dative of 3d sg. pronoun' vs. ley 'law'
> close, se '3d per. reflexive' vs. seis 'six'
> -- not many other pairs I can think of offhand :-(
>
> Italian le 'fem.pl.def. art' vs. lei 'you (formal)'
> mie 'mine (fem.pl)' vs. miei 'mine (Masc.pl.)' (but ['mi(j)e] [mj'ei])
> se 'if' vs. sei 'six' -- but these probably are technically 2  
> syllable forms.
>
> It helps that Span. le, se and Ital. le, se are usually in  
> unstressed position.
>
>
>
>

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