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Re: How do you give reality to an a priori conlang?

From:

Edgard Bikelis <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 3 Dec 2009 00:36:44 -0200

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On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

>
> I know very well what you are talking about.  With my conlang Old Albic,
> which is partly a priori (the a posteriori parts of it are some
> similarities with Indo-European which hint at a distant relationship,
> and a few hundred Celtic and Germanic words with unknown etymology,
> which I fancy to have been borrowed from Albic or something related
> to it), I found it difficult to invent vocabulary from scratch in such
> a way that it sounds right to me.
>
> What helps to some degree is to have some sense of the language's
> history.  Start not with the target language itself, but with an
> ancestor of it from which you derive the target language by means of
> regular sound changes.  This will at least give your language some
> historical depth; also, if you feel that you want to build a sister
> language of your language later, you can go back to the ancestor
> language and apply a different set of sound changes to it, and thus
> get a realistic cognate language.  (It is indeed possible to work
> backwards from the target language to the ancestor language, though
> that is more difficult.  If there are not too many changes between
> the two languages, you can even work them out at the same time, as
> I do with Old Albic and its ancestor Proto-Albic.)
>

 Oh, I was doing that. I grabbed all about proto-uralic I could find, and
all about PIE I already know, and tried to make an ur-proto-language. It may
work eventually... BTW, can you talk about how you see the origin of ablaut
and of the accentual mobility? I tried something elegant, but to generate
things like non-tonic /o/ is a bit hard. And the origin of aspiration, like
I asked here before...

I tried, for instance, with a language with /a a: e e: o o:/, whose accent
falls on the first long vowel of the word, if there is one, then weakening
the accentless vowels to /@ a i e u o/, and vRddhi remaining analogical, and
finally the accented vowels changing to /e o e ej o ow/, giving:

dar 'tree',

Nom. sg. da:r-o > dóru
Gen. sg. da:r-o-a:t > derwés
Nom. du. da:r-o-ak > dóruh (with @ deletion, after this: dórU)
Gen. du. da:r-o-ak-a:t > derukés
Nom. pl. da:r-o-at > dórwes (maybe -oe- makes an epenthesis first, if so:
dérews)
Gen. pl. da:r-o-at-a:t > derutés

(voiceless plosives become fricatives, /x/ ~ [x h])

What do you think? I like this, but there is no way I can get the 'thematic
system' with fixed stress : //, unless.... I have a trimoraic vowel that
just makes it so, but it's so ad hoc!

Edgard.

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