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CONLANG  December 2009, Week 1

CONLANG December 2009, Week 1

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Re: Journal Writing in Underdeveloped Languages

From:

Arthaey Angosii <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:54:15 -0800

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Thank you for your responses!

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:04 AM, kate rhodes <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I also find that going back and rereading the previous day's entry is
> a good way to refresh myself about the most current state of the
> language

That's a good suggestion! I hadn't thought to use old entries as
reading practice, but like all good ideas, it's obvious in retrospect.
:)


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Why wouldn't "for 5 hours" be handled the same way as "this morning"
> (using I assume locative case)-- or would _5 hours-at_ maybe mean "at
> 5 o'clock'? Kash handles that distinction with word order-- nim aro (5
> hour(no plural needed)= (for) five hours (you could maybe precede it
> with "during"); aro nim 'five o'clock'

The verb _rae_ means "to be at". For example:

    Miza-rae ateilh.
    table-at I-was
    "I was at the table."

It quickly gained the ability to refer to points of time, too:

    Teze a tie-ikath-rae ateilh.
    write REL this-morning-at I-did
    "I wrote this morning."

The reason I balked at using _rae_ for "5 hours" was because that
describes a duration of time, rather than a point of time. On the
other hand, I just introduced grammar to distinguish cardinal from
ordinal numbers based on word order, so perhaps I can follow your
suggestion...

    omi aiketa
    five PL-hour
    "five hours"

    keta a omi
    hour REL five
    "fifth hour"

So that would make my example sentence become:

    Teze a omi-aiketa-rae ateilh.
    write REL five-hours-at I-did
    "I wrote for five hours."

    Teze a keta-a-omi-rae ateilh.
    write REL hours REL five at I-did
    "I wrote at five o'clock."

That does open up an orthography question of how I want to handle
_rae_ clauses where the location is itself a clause. Bah. But at least
I can say it "for five hours" now, even if I'm not sure how I want to
*write* it. :)

> It would be interesting/amusing to know which words you had to
> coin...I'll bet 'interview' and 'company' for a couple :-)) These are
> also lacking in Kash.

I've updated the original entry to mark coined vocab and new grammar.
The new words were:

 - zrishelhe "to interview"
 - zreshatalh "company, business"
 - klhime "to read"
 - iakor "cafĂ©"
 - atezo "dinner"
 - oishe "to be tasty"
 - mazrise "to play"
 - ezrolhi "game"
 - teze "to write"
 - israes "journal"

Apparently I can't count; that's 10 words coined, not 8. Pretty much
all the content words needed to be coined! ;) There was one joke
coinage in the bunch: _oishe_ /oiSe/ ['wiZE] "to be tasty", which
comes from Japanese _oishii_ "delicious". :)

New grammar was:

 - distinguishing cardinal from ordinal numbers based on word order
(see above for details)
 - suffixes on proper names don't "blend" with the name

The last point isn't really grammar, but it's not vocab, so. For
example, take the proper name _Sheri_. To add the suffix _n_ to it,
you have to say _Sheri-an_. This is in contrast with common nouns. If
there were some noun _sheri_, the suffix would make it become just
_sherin_.


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