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CONLANG  December 2009, Week 4

CONLANG December 2009, Week 4

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Re: Oh, noes! Endangered languages! WAS: Re: The official word on Na'vi

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"<deinx nxtxr>" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:09:26 -0500

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Brett Williams wrote:
> 2009/12/19 M.S. Soderquist <[log in to unmask]>:
>> I think that we are probably more keenly aware than most people that
>> language is a community activity. (This just sort of slaps you in the face
>> when you are the only person who knows your language.) I can learn an
>> endangered language-- probably pretty imperfectly at my age -- but unless I
>> can participate meaningfully in that language's community or spawn a new
>> community of speakers, it's nothing more than hobby, just like making up
>> entirely new languages.
> 
> 
> I happen to be lucky enough to have a cultural connection to an
> endangered language: My husband is Potawatomi, and we've been studying
> together Bodewadmimwen (the Potawatomi language).  From my experience
> I have to sadly agree that it isn't especially helpful to an
> endangered language for it to be studied by random unconnected
> strangers.  To survive a language needs more than just someone
> somewhere knowing something about it; it needs to be known by those
> people to whom it's culturally important, who can restore it to its
> proper place.  Of course it may be possible to forge a meaningful
> connection with speakers of an endangered language-- forming a
> friendship with a speaker could work-- but just studying the language
> as a dead object from a distance won't help.  Language needs not just
> students but conversation, communication.
> 
> I've noticed this too in attempting to bring conlangs to life: It's
> not enough at all to have people who are interested in studying it.
> They also have to have a conversation.  The imperative of
> communication, of having things you need to say and needing to
> understand what others are saying, is what pushes you through the long
> struggle of language learning.

This is just the point I've been trying to get across on Auxlang 
about the futility of auxlang movements.  It's a catch-22 situation. 
  You need a community of speakers to attract speakers.  A few 
people passing around the occasional e-mail over the internet 
doesn't make much of a user community.  Yes, the community has to 
start somewhere but it seems to be a huge step from there to turning 
a conlang into regular active use.  And yes, *need* is the primary 
motivator for people learning a language, and nobody needs a 
language that has virtually no user community.

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