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CONLANG  December 2009, Week 4

CONLANG December 2009, Week 4

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Re: The construction of vocabulary, the "modifier+classifier" approach

From:

Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:08:42 -0500

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On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Linvi Charles <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> I am just wondering how the people on this list regard the method of the
> construction of vocabulary which Rick Morneau illustrates in his
> monograph "Lexical
> Semantics of a Machine Translation
> Interlingua<http://www.eskimo.com/%7Eram/lexical_semantics.html>",
> especially in this<
> http://www.eskimo.com/%7Eram/lexical_semantics.html#S3_2>section.
>

I regard Rick Morneau Himself as a god. (Slightly joking there. Slightly.)
And I return to the monograph for inspiration and clarification frequently.


> If you think that this system is inefficient or ineffective, please
> explain why, and if you think that a different system is more efficient or
> effective, please explain it.
>
>
I think it's a very cool system. I've noted a gap or two in the way he
implemented it in the various incarnations of his interlingua, but still I
think it's quite effective. I was able to memorise vocabulary quite quickly,
and it was fun recalling the morphemes and seeing how they made up words.

In general, however, I support a posteriori approaches because it seems that
languages need to accept new vocabulary very readily, as coined by
not-necessarily-experts. Of course, Rick's interlingua (the final name was
Latejami) was not at all intended as some kind of free-for-all; it was to be
tightly controlled.


> In this approach, one defines two, large collections of words: (a) the
> classifiers and (b) the modifiers. Each one of the classifiers represents a
> class of words and each one of the modifiers represents a vague idea or
> concept. To construct a word, (1) one first chooses the classifier which
> represents the class in which the class of the word exists, for example,
> the
> class of the word which denotes "shirt" exists in the class of the words
> which denote "clothing", "human-made items", "things" et cetera, and, then,
> (2) one chooses a modifier which somehow suggests, imprecisely and just
> mnemonically, the subclass.
>
> To provide an example of this approach, I will quote Rick Morneau directly:
>
> "For example, the root meaning "bicycle" consists of the numeric modifier
> meaning 'two' plus the 'vehicle' classifier."
>

I've monkeyed with applying other self-segregating morphologies to the
classifier/modifier concept. It's very promising and powerful, but also a
little scary -- having to step up to the task of analysing and defining
everything.

---larry

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