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CONLANG December 2009, Week 4

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Re: Something the world does NOT need: YAPA

From:

Kenner Gordon <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:25:18 -0700

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I pronounce "walked" as wokt (as opposed to wakD)

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I went over my posting limit yesterday so I will repost yesterday's
> reply along with replies to recent posts as one single post:
>
> Yesterday's rejected over-limit reply:
>
> I distinguish "cot" and "caught", "Don" and "dawn", but not "Mary",
> "merry", "marry".
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Steven Lytle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Some questions I have are :
> > yRz: you don't have an E in this word? yRz sounds like fast "yours".
>
> My mistake. Should have been yErz
>
> > DR: "there" vs. DeR "their" - They're (!) not the same? I same all three
> as
> > Der.
>
> Should have been DAr (or DB if "B" is "air")..
>
> > trubl: I included L for syllabic 'l' in my alphabet. It matches R, but
> > leaves other syllabic consonants untreated, such as 'n' (N used for ng)
> and
> > 'm' (not used).
>
> Good idea! I like it.
>
> > TEetR: I would have used TEutR. I've heard "theater" as TEAtR a lot, and
> my
> > brother used to say TEutAtR as a kid.
>
> I think I like your TEutR better than mine. I'll use that.
>
> > bEyUtifl: not just byUtifL?
>
> Also, I think yours is better.
>
> > elabOret: Elaburut (adj) or ElaburAt (v)?
>
> Yes, yours is better.
>
> > uV: "of" - typo for uv?
> > wuZ: "was" - typo for wuz, which occurs a little further on?
>
> Typos. Sorry.
>
> > kArektr: keruktR?
> > KQsel: "counsel" - K? it looks like an 'n' is missing, too.
>
> s/b kQnsL (using your upper case syllabic L)
>
> > It's hard to read, especially after reading the essay on how good English
> > spelling actually is, but it's not bad, either.
> >
> > stevo
>
> I've written a C++ program to do the translation from a dictionary to
> avoid the kind of typos I make whenever I type.
>
> New replies:
>
> > <deinx nxtxr>: where's the schwa?
>
> I was sort of using 'u' for schwa as well.
>
> > <deinx nxtxr>: I agree somewhat with the others and would
> > have made those assignments more international looking even
> > if it meant using diacritics or special characters.  And most
> > of the diphthongs would be two letters
>
> The primary design goal was to make every sound be a single character
> in length so that parsing woule be easier and unambiguous. How would
> you spell "coworker" given that "aw" might be parsed "a w" (koe
> werker) or "aw" (kau erker) with your assignments?
>
> > Mark J. Reed : He's proposing a phonetic spelling for English
> > words, not a phonetic transcription of English speech.
> >  "The" is a single word, and therefore gets a single spelling.
>
> Exactly. Phonics, not phonetics.
>
> > Mark J. Reed : Kevin> I'm mostly objecting to him
> > distinguishing between "caught" and "cot" but also
> > making "father" and "bother" rhyme.
>
> > ?  Where did Gary distinguish between caught and cot?
> > AFAICT there's only one vowel there: {o} as in <hot>.
>
> cot has o from hot.
> caught has X from ball (bXl)
>
> > Mark J. Reed :These point up the question of the phonemic schwa.
> >  I think it would
> > simplify things if you introduced a symbol for the generic unstressed
> > vowel, rather than trying to figure out what each such vowel is
> > "supposed to be", or would be if it were stressed.
>
> Good point. I've changed some of the assignments and added a few new
> symbols. See below.
>
> > Kenner Gordon: I'm mostly objecting to him choosing his particular
> > accent in opposition to all others
>
> My reason for creating this particular alphabet is specifically to
> represent MY speech in a data base of words that I can use as a
> starting point for applying sound changes to MY speech in order to
> create words for a hypothetical future English descended from MY
> speech. I had no intention of applying the alphabet to any broader
> domain than this specific project.
>
> Changes since last post:
>
> P (Ilike rho) for Or
> B for air
> @ for schwa
> upper case G in place of N for ng
> N is syllabic n as in button -> butN
> D is syllabic d as in walked -> wXkD (but not warmed -> wPmd)
> V becomes voiced th in place of D.
>
> a  bat bat      b  bib bib        r  roar rP
> A  bait bAt     C  church CRC     R  her hR
> e  bet bet      d  did did        s  sis sis
> E  beet bEt     V  they VA        S  shoe SU
> i  bit bit      f  fee fE         t  tot tot
> I  bite bIt     g  gag gag        T  thin Tin
> o  hot hot      h  hoe hO         v  valve valv
> O  boat bOt     j  judge juj      w  wow wQ
> u  but but      k  kick kik       y  yes yes
> U  boot bUt     l  lull lul       z  zoo zU
> Y  boy bY       m  mom mom        Z  measure meZR
> W  book bWk     n  nine nIn             G  sing siG
> X  ball bXl     N  @ n butN                     L  @ L botL
> Q  now nQ       p  pip pip        D  @ D ufPdD
> P  door dP      B  fair fB              @  schwa
>
> --gary
>



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