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CONLANG  January 2010, Week 3

CONLANG January 2010, Week 3

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Re: Translation Exercise: The Strange Ecstasy of Creation

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:53:20 -0500

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Daniel Bowman
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Poetry is extremely hard to translate between any
> languages in my opinion,

I think we can safely elevate that opinion to fact status.  ;)

See _Le_Ton_Beau_de_Marot_ for a lyrical treatment of the subject.



and the perspective of the translator will
> inevitably be stamped on the resulting text.  This is evident in my
> translation from Angosey, where the idiom "broken record" does not exist; I
> chose to interpret it as my creation being broken.
>
>
>>
>> Without understanding if you wrote yourself and you were a "broken
>> record" or if you wrote a "broken record" for yourself it's difficult
>> translate those last two lines at anything beyond the level of a
>> series of isolated words.
>>
>
> Correct.  As a translator, you would need to decide whether "broken record"
> has a meaning along the lines of "he sounded like a broken record" or "a
> [written] record that is broken/incomplete/flawed."  I understand your
> concern about not "getting" the poem but in the end, it is the reader, not
> the writer, who creates meaning.  Perhaps it is a dissonance in the poem
> that makes it difficult for you to decide (I make no claims that this is a
> "good" poem).
>
>
>>
>> I'm going with the standard meaning of "broken record" here: one that
>> keeps skipping back, repeating the same sounds but never making any
>> forward progress.  Of course, it could be literal but that makes even
>> less sense...
>>
>
> I posted this to the list intending for that line to be ambiguous. The
> entire poem does heavily depend on English idiom ("broken record") and
> unusual wording ("strange ecstasy of creation").  It is not like translating
> a technical manual, or even a prose story.  The question then might become:
> how do we translate something that is so clearly depends on English usage to
> be understood?  Or, how do we translate a line that in English can mean two
> different things when we have no clue as to which one it is?
>
>
>>
>> -Kate
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ayryea zakayro al Gayaltha
> al halath zirathna eme ndatsa.
> Kou eleo haraya el isha,
> Sa vathna sey elenanara sia.
>



-- 
Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>

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