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AUXLANG  January 2010, Week 4

AUXLANG January 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Homonyms: Threat or Menace?

From:

Kjell Rehnstršöm <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:09:38 +0100

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Zeinelabidin Elhassi skrev:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:51:03 +0900, Jens Wilkinson 
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Zeinelabidin Elhassi
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>     
>>> Ibn Taymia , Ibn alkayim and Alamir al shankity (and others) say there is no
>>> metaphor in Arabic. One of the basis of their argument is that the so-called
>>> Metaphor can be negated. e.g. He is a lion (and you mean he is brave) 
>>>       
> Another
>   
>>> person can swear that he is not a lion (and he is really not a true lion) so it 
>>>       
> is
>   
>>> not a clear way of using the language.
>>> Many linguists say there is Metaphor in Arabic ,and they classify its types.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I think that in most languages, there are what we call "dead
>> metaphors." For example, in English we say a "branch" for a local bank
>> office, which is not a real tree branch. And we say the "root" of a
>> word, and the "head" of a company. Or the "back" of the house. And all
>> of those are originally metaphorical, but are now accepted commonly in
>> the language. I assume that Arabic also has usages like that. So
>> perhaps my definition of metaphor is wider than those of the scholars
>> you mentioned.
>> --
>> Jens Wilkinson
>> Neo Patwa (patwa.pbwiki.com)
>>     
>
>
> In Arabic it's different. In English it is a Metaphor ,but in Arabic it is not.
> In Arabic "branch" is (fere3) it's also used for "a branch of a tree" and "branch 
> of a bank" just like in English
> Its verb form is (tafarra3a) In English "to ramify"
> As if you have taken the verb "ramify" and derived from it the word "branch"
> So in Arabic it's not a metaphor. It is a true and direct use of the word.
> It's anything that comes from a source or goes higher. (a branch)
>
>
> The third word "head" = in Arabic (ra's) (ra'ees)
> First the word (ra's) "head" means the top of anything. So it's not Metaphor in 
> Arabic. 
> Also it's not Metaphor if you have said (ra's alsharika) "head of the company"
>
> Secondly, You cannot mention this word alone. You have to say "head of 
> company"
> Then all of this, is a new different name. In Arabic it's called (Almudhaf wa 
> Almudhafu elayh)
> It's different than the head of an animal for example.
> To bring the best example : "headquarters" it's a totally different name ,and it's 
> not a Metaphor. (You know English better than me. What do you think?)
>
> You cannot mention the word alone most of the time ,and this is one of the 
> ideas of the above scholars. 
>
> But as I have said the majority say that there is Metaphor in Arabic language.
>   
As I understand the examples you give are metaphores.

Kjell R

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