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CONLANG  January 2010, Week 4

CONLANG January 2010, Week 4

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Re: Compounding?

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"<deinx nxtxr>" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:59:32 -0500

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David Peterson wrote:
> I was just thinking on the drive back to my house: In English and
> German, we have a *lot* of compounds--and all sorts (noun-noun,
> adjective-noun, noun-preposition, preposition-verb, etc.). If we
> need a new word, a compound seems like the most natural thing
> to do.
> 
> Of course, all languages have a way to make compound words,
> but I wonder: Do all of them do it to the same extent? More
> importantly, is the extent to which German and English (and
> like languages) utilize compounding typologically odd?
> 
> I suppose the first question is what counts as compounding. For
> example, in English there's an intonational difference between
> "blue bird" (a bird that happens to be blue) and "bluebird" (a
> compound describing a particular variety of bird). I'm guessing
> the same is true of Spanish noun adjective compounds/phrases.
> But how permissive are compounds? Do they allow for larger
> structures, such as "hall of fame"? It's a lexical item, certainly, but
> is it a "compound", or just a phrasal lexical item?
> 
> What I'm getting at here is in English you can have "mailbox"
> which stands for (perhaps) "box for mail". In Spanish, you'd pretty
> much have to spell that out. Does that prevent it from being a
> compound? Or are those the same type of thing if they're treated
> as a lexical item, in which case both languages would "compound"
> to the same degree with respect to lexical items like that?

Since they form a single unit semantically I would have to say they are 
still compounds.  Remember that French has constructions like "machine à 
écrir".  Even your example could easily have been "fame hall", which may 
sound stange but only because we're not accustomed to it being formed 
that way.


> The ramifications for conlanging should be obvious. But in both
> con- and natlangs, compounding (i.e. understanding the phenomenon)
> has never been my strong suit. I thought I'd see what folks thought
> here.

To those of us that make auxlangs, compounding is one of the main 
methods we use to economize the lexicon.  The only tough part I find in 
making auxlangs is trying to avoid idiomatic uses and come up with 
compounds that are highly intuitive.

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