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CONLANG  January 2010, Week 4

CONLANG January 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: click genesis (and Sohlçan cale ndar!)

From:

Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:04:55 +0100

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Matthew Turnbull skrev:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c246fZ-7z1w
> 
> I feel that this guy's claim that clicks are ancestral and were somehow lost
> in every language family seems a bit farfetched, what does everybody else
> think? My understanding was that veleric ingressives were a one time thing
> in a certain region of Africa and are now an areal feature there, pretty
> much unique in the world (with the  exception of Damin, which I read uses an
> egressive airstream anyhow)
> 

As it happens I read in on doubly articulated
consonants -- labial velars and the like --
the other day, and in the second edition of
"A Course in Phonetics" Ladefoged wrote:

"There is another complication in the production
of these sounds in Yoruba and in most West African
languages that have labial velar stops or nasals.
During the labial and velar closures the back of
the tongue moves slightly farther back, creating
a slight suction effect as in a click.  Thus the
stops [kp),\ gb)] and the nasal [Nm)] often have
a weak velaric ingressive mechanism, so they can
be classified as voiceless or voiced or nasal
bilabial clicks."

Thus it would seem that clicks may well have
originated from clusters of velars and labials
or coronals and palatals (or coronals and velars
-- I can produce doubly articulated alveolar-velar
sounds although the WP article on doubly articulated
consonant doesn't say they occur in any natlang) --,
since they all have that slight velar suction
Ladefoged described when I pronounce them.

AFMOC I discovered the other day that Proto-Sohlob
and possibly even Kijeb had not only three phonemic
series of doubly articulated stops -- labial-velar,
dental-velar and labial-dental, but also allophonic
dental-platal sounds and a phonemic collection of
nasals with velic pre-explosion -- place the
articulators as for a voiced stop, then quickly
lower the velum and a popping sound followed by a
nasal results. The only online reference to velic
explosion which I could find is on page 49/45 of
an old but interesting thesis found at

<http://etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Zuckerman%20Suzanne.pdf?acc_num=osu1232122187>

<http://tinyurl.com/yjz3y6e>

(In fact I googled on 'velar explosion' and came
upon this reference and the term "velic explosion"
by accident, but I have a vague feeling I've come
across the phenomenon and the term before.)
To me the velic explosion, which I will
provisionally symbolize with [k\] in each
case sounds like mix of [g] and a voiced stop
homorganic with the following nasal.
I wonder if these are really nasal clicks?

Anyway I suspect this is the final proof that
the Sohlçan aren't human, but very human-like
but with a longer oral passage and tung!
Perhaps they after all also have four fingers
on each hand and an octal numeral system!

(BTW I seem to remember a joke about the 32nd
day of the month in The Simpsons, which would
be logical since they run many jokes on four-
fingered hands and decimal 32 is octal 040
-- just a normal month in their world?)

BTW the Sohlçan may have a good reason to
count in octal even if they have ten fingers
and live on Earth, since:

* A normal year will have 0555 days,
* 13 = 015 months of 28 = 034 days = 3 1/2 8-day weeks
   each will make 364 = 0554 days.
* The last week of every year has only four days,
   which makes 45 = 055 normal 8 = 010 day weeks and
   one half-week in every year.  The half-week is an
   actual four-day week in the calendar.
* The 365th = 0555th day of each year doesn't belong
   to any month or any week.  This is the "Short Day"
   which falls on the winter solistice.
* Every 4th year has two "Short Days".
* Every 100th = 0144th year does not have an extra
   Short Day, but every 400th = 0620th year has an
   extra Short Day anyway.

Nice round numbers to them for the most part!

/BP 8^)>
-- 
Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient
  à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil
  ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*,
  c'est qu'elles meurent."           (Victor Hugo)

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