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CONLANG  February 2010, Week 2

CONLANG February 2010, Week 2

Subject:

Re: An orthographic monster

From:

Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:35:02 +0100

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Adam Walker skrev:
 > Interesting.  One of the parts of the C-an timeline I'm still 
thrashing out
 > is the fallout of the Hundred Years' War.  Like in Lucus, the 
war resulted
 > in a shattered France.
 >
 > As I currently understand things at the end of the war all Gaul 
is divided
 > into six parts. ;-)

If you count in Gallia Belgica Lucal Gaul has no less
than nine parts!  My most up-to-date map of the parts
which fall inside OTL France is here:

<http://melroch.se/lucus/borgonze/pert_della_gagle.png>

 > Tolosa became independent when the Albigensian
 > Crusade againsts the Donatists of southern Gaul
 > failed.

Same Lucally.  The battle of Murat went otherwise when
the king of Aragon wasn't slain.  Lucally the *others*
were of course Cathars.  Tolosa, for long nominally a
fief of Aragon, was unique in Lucal Europe in having
two co-territorial churches, one of which wasn't even
really Christian. Officially however Catharism was
tolerated rather than equal, as they didn't want
another crusade on their neck. Had either France or
Borgonze decided to stage one the other would not
likely step in to help Tolosa for fear of igniting yet
another Great War.

 > Burgundy made a decisive split with France during the
 > war and managed to establish itself as the middle
 > kingdom between France and the HRE absorbing parts of
 > each, but owing nominal fealty to the Emperor.

Same Lucally.  Due to the Lucal absence of clerical
celibate there was a cadet who could succede as DeophŪ
of Viennay in 1349, and in 1361 he succeded to Burgundy
as well. The situation in the Hundred Years War was
also different, since Lucally England had been
partitioned in 1066 after the Norwegians had won at
Stamford Bridge (after Harold Godwinson rather than
Harald Sigurdarson had fallen), faught an undecisive
battle with the Normans at Bedford and established the
fallen Harold's brother Tostig as earl of
Northumberland (actually the Danelaw) under the
Norwegian crown.  By the 14th century Norway had had
its hands full of trouble, with succession wars etc.
and the earls of Northumberland had taken the
opportunity to raise a rival claim as kings of England.
When the Hundred Years War broke out the Normans of
course had to fight on two fronts, though as long as
the Normans and Burgundy were in alliance on the
Continent Northumberland wasn't strong enough to gain
the upper hand in Britain.  The new DeophŪ ruler of
Burgundy broke the alliance with the Normans and
instead forged an alliance with Northumberland, with
the result that the Normans were driven out of England,
and a deal with the House of Valois partitioning the
Norman possessions on the continent on condition that
they recognise each other as sovereigns of France and
Burgundy respectively.  The rest of the war was a nasty
affair since the Franco-Burgundian "alliance" was so
tenuous.  Burgundy and Northumberland-England each
conquered part of the Norman possessions, but after
that the war raged on between France on the one side
and Normandy and Aquitaine on the other, ending with
Normandy falling to France but a branch of the house of
Plantagenet holding on to Aquitaine.  The result was a
totally fractured Gaul.

 > Cut off from the rest of "France" the Provence
 > becomes a defacto state governed by its Count and
 > includes part of here's Piedmont.

Lucally Proensa is an independent Count-Patriarchy,
each count-patriarch being succeded by his nephew.
Traditionally Proensa differed from Tolosa mainly in
that catharism wasn't tolerated there. Nice belongs to
Piedmont Lucally.

 > Aquitaine slips
 > from England's grasp after Henry Bollingbroke  is
 > exiled by Richard II.

See above for Lucal Aquitaine.

 > Brittany manages to persue a
 > seperate policy playing England and France against
 > each other till it owes no more than lip service to
 > either.

Much the same Lucally.  Brittany aided France  against
Normandy, afterwards being able to play it out against
England and Burgundy.

 > France is reduced to a rump state
 > encompassing the leftovers.

Same Lucally.

 > England suffered terrible losses as well.  The war
 > ends with all England's French territories slipping
 > from it's grasp -- some becoming independent, others
 > being absorbed by its ally, Burgundy, and a few, like
 > Normandy, ending up back within France.

Much the same Lucally.

 > But, while
 > France was not able to reassert its sovereignty over
 > all Gaul, it was able to cause England terrific
 > trouble as well.  France supported inusrrections in
 > Ireland and Wales, and cultivated the Auld Alliance.
 > Scotland was more effective than here and retained a
 > stronger independence.  Wales broke free and
 > established a dynasty under the decendants of Owain
 > Glyndwr.  Ireland is a drain on English resources.
 > Burgundy is only reliable in its opposition to
 > France.

Lucally Ireland fell to a branch of the Plantagenets,
but due to the war in England and France the Irish
nobles were able to keep this king rather powerless.
Wales managed to become independent but later ended up
in a personal union with England much as Scotland
(which remained independent Lucally) did OTL.

 > So both kingdoms are shattered by the war.  But that
 > just puts them on the same footing as poor Italy and
 > Iberia.  Italy looks much as it did hee -- a
 > patchwork of competeing nation-states.  Iberia looks
 > like a tricolor with Portugal and Catalunya being
 > only slightly smalled stripes than Castilla.

Lucally Iberia is split between Aragon, Navarre,
Castile, Portugal and a Muslim Andalus.  America
(Lucally Almarevia (South) and Vestralvia (North)) had
been discovered much earlier by the Arabs and the
Vikings -- about the same time but independent of each
other, so Lucally there was no unification of Spain and
no rise to world power.  Portugal did however become
quite a power in Africa and Asia by playing out
different Muslim states against each other.  Navarre
and England also each seized parts of Vestralvia.

 >>> Yet I think that in fact the provinces of Borgonze
 >>> from south to north are simply called:
 >>>
 >>> Province        Adjective       Inhabitant
 >>> --------------  --------------  -----------------
 >>> El Deofiniad    deofinadiŠ/-ane rhodriŠu/-aune
 >>> El Lojunay      lojunay         lojugnŠu/-aune
 >>> El Dughiad      dugadiŠ/-ane    dugaÁŠu/-aune, borghignŠu/-ne
 >>> El Condiad      condadiŠ/-ane	condaÁŠu/-aune
 >>> La Campagne     campagnay		campagnŠu/-aune
 >>> La PicŠrze      picard/-e		picard/-e

D'oh, I forgot one province:

La Lodregne		lodringay		lodringŠu/-aune

Alsace is HRE/German Lucally.

 > That's something I need to work out better for C-a.

Well, I just used the OTL French provinces. Lazy me!

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