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CONLANG  February 2010, Week 4

CONLANG February 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Genitives and plurals

From:

Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:45:50 +0100

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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:51, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Philip Newton wrote:
>>
>> Darn. This is making it harder and harder to justify my Engadinese
>> language (basically, Ancient Greek with Latin-to-Romansh sound *and
>> syntax/morphology* changes)! Damn you, reality :-)
>
> Latin to Romansch sound changes might be OK - tho clearly there'd have be
> some modification as the phonology of ancient & Koine Greek was somewhat
> different from that of Latin. One major difference was the existence of
> _two_ series voiceless plosives in Greek, aspirated & unaspirated, while
> Latin had only one.

Very true. I've got some ideas what to do with the voiceless aspirated
series, but nothing final yet. (Except that p_h will most likely end
up as [f].)

> Syntax is probably not a great problem but applying Latin to Romansch
> morphology change to Greek is IMO not the best idea  ;)

Well, the main change I had in mind was "reduced nominal inflection",
with just a singular/plural system much like English (or, well,
Romansh), possibly with a nominative/oblique stage along the way (like
French or older Romansh); not specific morphological changes.

>> Ah well. I could always say that "Western Hellenic" diverged and did
>> this, that, and the other by analogy, picked up a suffix or ending
>> from Celtic or whatever, like Latin did,
>
> No - it is not thought that Latin _picked up_ the genitive -i: from Celtic.
> The genitive -i: is one of several isoglosses found in both Celtic and
> _Italic_ (not just Latin) languages which have led some to postulate a
> common Celto-Italic proto-language (within the IE family, of course).

Ah, OK. So that wouldn't work (unless there were a
proto-Celto-Hellenic in WHATL...). It was just an idea anyway.

>> and hey presto: identical
>> endings! Leading to analytical forms. Or something. While Eastern
>> Hellenic would eventually turn into something closely resembling *our*
>> Modern Greek.
>
> As far as morphology is concerned, I would think known developments within
> the hellenophone world (modern Greek was not the only development of the
> ancient language) is a better guide to what is likely to have happened in
> WHATL.

Very true. I don't know a whole lot about other variants of Greek,
though (Pontic, Tsakonic, Cretan, Cypriot, ...) for comparison,
unfortunately. Information from such varieties would clearly be
useful, though.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

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