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CONLANG  March 2010, Week 1

CONLANG March 2010, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Plan B variations

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 4 Mar 2010 07:16:17 +0000

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Salvete omnes!

Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> Hallo!
[snip]

> The FrathWiki page on X-1 is still pretty much up to date, and I
> have no intention to abandon the self-segregation scheme as I feel
> it is at the core of the language.  The idea behind X-1 is "Plan B
> done right"; without that self-segregation scheme, it would no
> longer be the same project.

Oh yes, self-segregation is a must in such a project. I also 
had the idea of "Plan B done right", but quite frankly the 
more I looked into Plan B the more I felt like that little 
kid looking at the "Emperor's new clothes.'    :)

>> When I was still intending to develop a loglang, I did have 
>> a page in which I discussed the Huffman-like encodings and 
>> why I rejected such a scheme. The page is at present 
>> off-line.  I guess with the present interest in Plan B, I 
>> ought to think about getting it - or a modified version of 
>> the page - back online.
> 
> I dimly remember such a page, but I am not sure.  I think it is
> worth putting back online.

I've now done so.
http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Exp/Appendix2.html

>> But I know of no other conlang that uses it.  Basically, it 
>> seems to me that using Huffman-like encodings is fine for a 
>> computer and, maybe, extra-terrestrial aliens but not for 
>> human usable languages.
> 
> Indeed.  With X-1, I feel that this encoding scheme is something of
> a morphological straitjacket.  You get severe constraints on morpheme
> shape, and as I also use morpheme length as an indicator of valency,
> it means that I can have no more than 512 unary predicate words (and
> that class includes most common nouns), 

Yes, Plan B didn't have the valency problem.  Its "case" 
system merely labeled each morpheme for its place in the 
binary tree that the C program would parse. As you know, I 
gave up on the loglang idea. In any case, Plan B is not a 
loglang or a loglan, as we now understand these terms. It 
would seem that way back in 1990, the term Loglan was being 
used basically to mean what we now call an engelang; and 
Plan B is certainly an engelang (whether 'optimal' or not is 
debatable).

>       so I am getting at something
> pretty oligosynthetic.  That, I feel, is the main reason why I make
> so little progress with it.

Having abandoned the ""Plan B done right", my 'experimental 
loglang' has now indeed transmogrified itself into an 
oligosynthetic language    ;)

The main reasons for slow progress on it are:
- I still find that not all browsers will display the Yì 
Jīng hexagrams;
- I seem to be busier in retirement than I ever was when 
working!

-- 
Ray
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==================================
Nid rhy hen neb i ddysgu.
There's none too old to learn.
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