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CONLANG March 2010, Week 3

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Re: Allophones of /h/

From:

John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:56:19 -0400

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:53:01 -0400, Alex Fink wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:02:52 -0500, Patrick Dunn wrote:
>
>>Except for /h/, which I had tentatively decided was [h] before a front
>>vowel, /X/ before a back vowel.  But now I'm looking at that and
>>thinking "eh, that doesn't make much sense.  Why would a back vowel
>>condition a glottal fricative to become a velar fricative?"
>>
>>Am I right in thinking that one's a bit hinky?  I don't mind having
>>some irregularity in the phonology, god knows, but I want it to look
>>at least somewhat plausible.
>
>It's not the identical pattern, no.  I could see it happening -- /h/ is
>always developing into a buccal fricative next to this vowel or that -- but
>velarity is a significant measure less likely to spread than frontness or
>rounding or lowness, yes.
>
>Or you might posit original [C] ~ [X] and then weaken [C] to [h].  That
>would be a little strange too, having only [C] get affected, but it's doable.

Clearly it's possible, but a little mark'd all the same. Still, perhaps no
weirder than eg. the development of a front allophone in German after all
consonants (*durx > /dUrC/).


>>I'm also thinking of /t/ becoming [T] before a front vowel.  I think
>>that's attested somewhere, isn't it?
>
>That's more or less what happened in Spanish (only Castilian retaining it
>now),

Except only from *t in the case of *tj (also from *k).

Plenty of languages have t > s before /i/ (Gilbertese for example);
extending that to before /e/ and turning the end result to /T/ shouldn't be
too bad.

I'm much more worried about myself having tentativly set [T] as the
front-vocalic allophone of /f/ in one sketch. :)


>>Also, would it be heavily odd to have consonant mutation only in the
>>pronoun system, and nowhere else?
>
>Probably not, a pronoun system is a fine place to retain archaisms.  But it
>very likely wouldn't still look ... phonological in that case

I'm not sure how full-blo'n a mutation system you're thinking of, but in
western Uralic there's a pattern of pluralizing demonstrativs by seemingly
mutating /t-/ > /n-/ (*täma/näma "this/these", *ta/na "that/those (medial)",
*to/no "that/those (distal)") that's found nowhere else in the family.
Smacks more of analogy than remnants of historical initial mutation, tho.

English where/there/here, whence/thence/hence, whither/thither/hither,
when/then, what/that, whose/those (which has its origins in a lost
inflectional system) has some "mutation" flavor too.

John Vertical

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