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CONLANG  March 2010, Week 3

CONLANG March 2010, Week 3

Subject:

Re: SILLY: Sub-alphabetical-orderic analysis

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:50:39 +0000

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Alex Fink wrote:
> I noticed something recently that reminded me of the curious things Beatrice
> Primus was up to in the paper discussed in the thread
>   http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0909e&L=conlang&T=0&P=3536
> (synopsis: the forms of Roman lowercase letters tell you something about
> their "natural" phonetic values).

I found the paper on:
http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/idsl/dozenten/primus/publikationen/Primus_Featural_Analysis_2004.pdf

> The positions of letters in the alphabet also tell you about their "natural"
> phonetic values!  In particular, the sound of a letter has primary place
> dorsal if and only iff it's an odd-numbered letter:
> 
> A [a] dorsal            B [b] labial
> C [k] ([c]?) dorsal 

No, no - our Beatrice tells us that the basic function of 
_c_ in the modern Roman alphabet is a "_coronal_ fricative" 
- surely, you can see that from its shape    ;)

I think you must be harking back to old Roman alphabet 
before those nice lower-case letters were devised    ;)

I quote:
"As for〈c〉, which emerged from a rounded variant of Greek 
gamma (cf. Jeffery 1990), it continued to represent a velar 
stop in Ancient Roman times (cf. Allen 1965). This phoneme 
had anterior allophones in anterior environments, where it 
changed into an affricate in some languages (cf. Italian 
_cento, città_) or into a fricative in other languages (cf. 
French _cent, cité_). Only the latter phonological function 
is in full conformity with the curved head of 〈c〉. The 
shape〈C〉is also attested as a 'lunate' variant of Greek 
sigma〈Σ〉which represented the voiceless coronal fricative 
(cf. Threatte 1996: 274). This phonological function is 
still preserved in the Cyrillic alphabet. In sum, a 
plausible assumption is that the coronal fricative is the 
basic function of〈c〉in MRA."

>                         D [d] coronal
> E [e] dorsal            F [f] labial
> G [g] dorsal            

Oh dear! Can't you see that [g] is not its "natural" sound?
   :)

"The upper-case variant〈G〉of the letter〈g〉 emerged before 
the minuscule from〈C〉in Ancient Roman times and represented 
a voiced velar stop (cf. Allen 1965). This phoneme had 
anterior allophones in anterior environments, where it 
changed into an affricate in some languages (cf. Italian 
_giraffa, gente_) or into a fricative in other languages 
(cf. French _girafe, gens_). Only the latter phonological 
function is in full conformity with the curved head of 〈g〉."

>                         H [h] glottal
> I [i] dorsal            J [dZ] coronal
> K [k] dorsal            L [l] coronal
> M problematic           N [n] coronal
> O [o] dorsal            P [p] labial
> Q [q] or [kw] dorsal    R [r] coronal
> S problematic           T [t] coronal
> U [u] dorsal            V [v] labial
> W [w] dorsal            X let's say [S] coronal
> Y [j] or [y] dorsal     Z [z] coronal
> 
> Clearly S and X should be switched from their IPA functions, and M should
> have the value [N]!

       :-D

-- 
Ray
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