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CONLANG  March 2010, Week 3

CONLANG March 2010, Week 3

Subject:

Re: How to make a mess of an ATL (was: Representing /v/ in Greek script)

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:04:11 +0000

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Garth Wallace wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:12 AM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
[snip]

>> I have nothing against such fantasies or collaborative projects per_se.  But
>> by giving this alternative world a Brithenig name, it does, perhaps, suggest
>> this is how _the_ alternate Brithenig time-line works out.
> 
> Well, AIUI, it *is* how that timeline works out. Who's to say that in
> a timeline where the inhabitants of southern Britain took to Vulgar
> Latin, the Kurds would not have established an independent
> nation-state,

...and, likewise, who's to say that it would?

It may be senility on my part, but I fail to see what the 
connexion is between what we in Britain speak and whether 
the Kurds have an independent nation state.

Indeed, in our own time-line the Kurds may well have got 
their own independent nation state if the treaty of Sevres 
after WWI had been ratified and implemented. I am not aware 
that anyone has blamed the failure to ratify & implement the 
treaty on the fact in Britain most of us speak a Germanic 
derived language with a good dose of French & Latinate 
admixtures!

The points I was making were:
1. _ill Bethisad_ is very different from what I understood 
Brithenig to be about in the very early days of its existence.
2. By giving the alternative world a _Brithenig_ name, it 
seems to me that it implies that _ill Bethisad_ is *the* 
alternative Brithenig timeline.

(1) above is fact. It may well be that I misunderstood 
things from the start; that's another matter.  But the 
statement, as given, is fact - period.

(2) is, I agree, more arguable. But surely, there are an 
(almost?) infinite number of possible time-lines in which 
Brithenig could have existed?

>                  Single-point-of-divergence
> can make for interesting though experiments, but the idea that it is
> more "serious" or "rigorous" is predicated on the notion that history
> is deterministic: 

Nope! We've moved on quite a bit since Newton's notion of a 
determined, mechanical universe. We've come to accept the 
notion of _probability_. That is precisely why I said above 
that there are surely an infinite number of possible 
time-lines in which Brithenig speakers could have existed.
===================================================

Adam Walker wrote:
 > In designing C~a I started with the language and then 
looked for an
 > excuse for it too survive. I started with religion ~ 
Donatists, Copts,
 > Iconoclasts and Muslims all behaved just a bit 
differently than im
 > otl. That was enough to create the space for the 
lang/culture to grow.

[etc - snipped]

 > Once the
 > changes start snowballing it gets much slower gowing! Adam

Yep - that's the sort of approach I can go along with. I can 
see how one thing could lead to another etc. I well 
appreciate the last sentence! I've found that, which is one 
of the reasons I haven't fleshed out RHATL any more than I 
have; it's the language I'm interested in.

In my case, I didn't have to look for an excuse for the 
language to survive as TAKE is only an _auxlang_ in RHATL 
and, like most auxlangs in OTL, was probably never used 
except by its author and a handful of enthusiasts   ;)

-- 
Ray
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