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CONLANG March 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Mostly-vowel language

From:

Daniel Demski <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:34:08 -0400

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On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:01:04 -0400, Daniel Demski <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>So, my proto-lang is mostly vowels, and now that I'm just about
>>settled on a set of letters to write it with,
>
> Show us, show us!

Maybe within a week. I want to have something presentable!

...
> Rotokas is what's generally cited for the record of fewest consonants in a
> natlang. ...

> | As a general principle it cannot therefore be said that the numbers of
> vowels and
> | consonants in an inventory, as counted here, bear a relation to each other.
> I expect that to hold just as true when we start comparing the presence of
> particular contrasts on one side, like [+-voice].  You might also find of
> interest
>  http://wals.info/feature/combined?id1=1&id2=2
> and for that matter
>  http://wals.info/feature/3
> which has it that significantly more phonemic Vs than Cs isn't quite a
> situation with precedent...

Wow, thanks for pointing out Rotokas, that makes me think I should
just stick with that inventory since it's in use.

Having far more vowels than consonants is a point I don't mind being
unnaturalistic. Hopefully it will be a challenge I can wrap my head
around. And if it's not, I'll move on to the next phase of the
language without dwelling too much.

...
>
> You mean, inventing markings for case out of thin air, using phones that
> never occurred in the language prior to that?  I think it's safe to regard
> that as naturalistically impossible.
>
> Or do you mean something else?

Well I guess that's what I mean, but I wasn't planning on purely thin
air. The idea would be, say [b] is in free variation with [v], and
used in .. say, a word for home, and people often say they're going
home; then suddenly people start considering the [v] a dative marker,
or I mean, considering fricatives a sign of dative.

>
>>As the plan stands my proto
>>language is to be isolating, so I would be moving straight from
>>isolating to inflectional; can that happen?
>
> I don't know what the middle ground you have in mind is.

I'd heard vaguely that it went isolative -> agglutinative ->
inflectional, but that depends on the definitions of those three terms
as well.

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