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CONLANG  May 2010, Week 1

CONLANG May 2010, Week 1

Subject:

Re: The golden line in conlangs (was: Chomskian analysis of this sentence? )

From:

Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 1 May 2010 20:38:43 +0200

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On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> R A Brown wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> In short, in this line the word order is surely determined by several
>> factors, e.g.:
>> - topic, comment and focus;
>> - elegance and balance;
>> - constraints of dactylic hexameter.
>
> I should've added 'tension and resolution'.
> ============================================
>
> And Rosta wrote:
>> R A Brown, On 29/04/2010 11:44:
> [snip]
>>> elements of the NP, not position. Therefore, the syntactic analysis
>>> should, as I see it (I'm not a synctactician), deal rather with the
>>> bonding of NP (or whatever) and leave the surface representation to
>>> the nature of the language: in English, Chinese etc the bonding must
>>> effected almost entirely by position; in Latin position is less
>>> important and morphology is more important.
>>
>> I agree that in any syntactic analysis there must be a direct syntactic
>> relationship between adj and noun, since the interpretation of the
>> sentence is such that the adj is predicated of the noun. You also offer
>> a convincing ergonomic reason for why some languages (such as Latin)
>> permit the forms of the adj and noun to be nonadjacent.
>
> To get us back to conlanging - it occurs to me that the following should be
> intelligible in Esperanto:
>
> juna beletan amindumas fraulinon viro
> "The young man woos the pretty young_lady"
>
> Two questions:
> 1. Are such words orders ever encountered in Esperanto verse? (I don't
> imagine such things would occur in prose)
>
> 2. Are there conlangs in which such word orders may and do occur?

I don't have a word for "to woo", and don't feel sufficiently romantic
ATM to invent one, but an analogous construction in Meghean would be
this:

Miea linao acarebh cheacio catear.

young beautiful-ACC see/watch-PROGRESSIVE DEF-lady-DIM vassal
"The young vassal watches the beautiful young lady."

(I gave the poor guy some status, otherwise he'd get decapitated for
ogling her highness! On second thoughts, it's perhaps a good thing I
don't have word for "to woo" yet.)

Would be a really odd way of expressing it however. Perhaps if a poet
really wanted to show off his cleverness.



(It's probably for the best that the orthography isn't consistent
enough to spell ['ʃatʃijo] as _cheacieo_ or _cheaciho_, which on
generally principle it ought.)


--
Andreas Johansson

Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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