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CONLANG  May 2010, Week 1

CONLANG May 2010, Week 1

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Re: The golden line in conlangs

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MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 4 May 2010 18:16:42 -0400

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I think "Juna beletan amindumas" is well-formed and means "A young one woos
a pretty one". They could as easily be animals or birds as people (to the
extent that wooing is not unique to people).

stevo

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:00 AM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> JIM HENRY (2nd May):
>
> I'm not sure if
>
> Juna beletan amindumas.
>
> would work, however, and I'm not sure why it seems less
> well-formed than the previous two sentences.
>
> ME (2nd May):
>
> Because, I think, we don't know what the adjectives refer
> to. I dare say, one could contrive a context in which such
> a sentence might be acceptable, but I think it would still
> feel awkward.
>
> EUGENE OH (4th May):
>
> Might the sentence not be parsed to mean "a" youngster and
> "a" pretty person? I'm not the most proficient Esperantist
> so this is just my interpretation of the sentence.
>
> CHRISTOPHE GRANDSIRE-KOEVOETS (4th May):
>
> If one wanted to mean that, they'd probably rather use the
> terms "junulo": youngster and "beletulo": pretty person
> (-ul- is the personifying suffix). Given Esperantists'
> propensity to actively use the various productive suffixes
> the language offers, I'd expect that rather than just using
> the adjectives without article. The sentence:
>
> Junulo beletulon amindumas.
>
> even with its marked word order, is at least completely
> well-formed and immediately understandable, and actually
> nothing very special at all.
>
> ME:
> Yes, "a youngster is wooing a pretty person" much surely be, as Christophe
> writes, _Junulo beletulon amindumas_ (or those three words in another word
> order) - and that only if the two participants are both male. In my
> original sentence, many emails back, the person being wooed was a
> _fraulino_. If we want a heterosexual courtship it will be _Junulo
> beletelulino amindumas_ (or, of course, Junulino beletulo amindumas). A
> lesbian courtship would yield _Junulino beletulino amindumas_.
>
> But the more I think of _Juna beletan amindumas_, the more I am convinced
> it is an incomplete sentence and, therefore, ill-formed and, at best,
> ambiguous if not, indeed, incomprehensible.
>
> Thinks: Do you require -ul- if you also have -ino? Or am I being misled by
> Ido?
>
>
>
> --
> Ray
> ==================================
> http://www.carolandray.plus.com
> ==================================
> Nid rhy hen neb i ddysgu.
> There's none too old to learn.
> [WELSH PROVERB]
>

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