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Re: Old Albic update: Some notes on vowel phonology

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Basilius <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 11 May 2010 13:31:59 -0400

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On Sun, 9 May 2010 07:21:48 +0100, R A Brown wrote:

>Then maybe 'tone' is not the best word to use. 'Tone' is
>usually taken in English to mean: "A term used in PHONOLOGY
>to refer to the DISTINCTIVE PITCH level of a SYLLABLE"
>[David Crystal]. It suggests we're talking about pitch
>rather than stress.

While the above is generally true, it is also true that pitch contours are
accompanied by various non-melodic phenomena - *more often than not*; and
conversely, e. g. segmental features like length, voicedness, etc. can be
accompanied with pitch contour alterations. 

The question of whether certain features (e. g. melodic ones) are central
for a given contrast or secondary ( = predictable, allophonic) is not a
trivial one in many cases. It may take scholars forever to agree upon such
issues in specific real-life languages; therefore, IMO the use of "tone" as
a cover term for certain types of syllable-level suprasegmentals is OK since
it is traditional, and is justified by practical reasons.

>Maybe - but once you start talking about "thrusting tone" or
>any other sort of tone, a reader (or listener) is likely to
>start thinking in terms of the sort of tones one finds in
>Chinese. 

No difference. Chinese tones aren't any special in this respect: they do
involve non-melodic features (e. g. vowel quantity and intensity contours)
and do affect vowel qualities on the level of allophony (cf. the diphthong
written -ui in pinyin: it can be [uj] or [wej] after consonants, depending
on tone).

Potential confusion can be prevented by adding an appropriate footnote
rather than replacing the term "tone" with something still more confusing.

>I see. Now I see what you're getting at, I'd like just to
>quote again the table you gave in your first email:
>{quote}
>Tr. IPA  Tr. IPA   Tr. IPA
>a   [ɐ]  á   [a:]  â   [aɐ]
>e   [ɛ]  é   [e:]  ê   [eɛ]
>i   [ɪ]  í   [i:]  î   [iɪ]
>o   [ɔ]  ó   [o:]  ô   [oɔ]
>ø   [œ]  ǿ   [ø:]  ø̂   [øœ]
>u   [ʊ]  ú   [u:]  û   [uʊ]
>y   [ʏ]  ý   [y:]  ŷ   [yʏ]
>
>(Tr. = transcription)
>{/quote}
>
>I think I would call the first column 'short', the second
>'long' and the third 'centering diphthongs'. A diphthong is
>"a vowel where there is a single (perceptual) noticeable
>change in the quality during a syllable" [Crystal]. In the
>third column there is such a change, and the lax vowel
>surely show a shift towards the center.

I disagree. To me, Jörg's description sounds perfectly sensible: there is a
prosody (called "tone" for simplicity's sake) and vowel allophony triggered
by it. 

It reminds me of Lithuanian tones/accents (which seem to be pitch contours
accompanied by intensity contours), producing allophonic alternations like
[wa] ~ [uʌ̯] (for the diphthong written {uo}).

- Basilius

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