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Re: Creaky voice < syllable-final voiced stop?

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 8 May 2010 16:51:32 -0700

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--- On Sat, 5/8/10, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> >I'm working on a language that loses syllable-final
> stops in its evolution.
> The voiceless stops would first become /?/. Given that
> development, would it
> be realistic to have voiced stops drop out but leave creaky
> voice behind?
> >
.......
> 
> I remember reading of an Austronesian language which had
> two kinds of /?/ in
> its phonemic inventory, named "voiceless" and "voiced" in
> the description I
> saw.  They continued */k/ and */g/ respectively. 
> Of course, they hardly
> could've been realised voiceless and voiced, and I seem to
> remember that the
> contrast was actually [?] (or [?:]) vs. creakiness in most
> contexts.  But I
> might have some part of this wrong.  Maybe Roger knows
> the language I'm
> talking about?

Sorry, I don't; the languages I know most about reduce _all_ word final stops (+ usually */l r s/)  to /?/, but voiced finals almost certainly had been devoiced well before that reduction process began. 

If I had to guess, I'd nominate some Philippine-related language (or a dialect thereof?) of North Sulawesi. PI languages in general retain voiced finals (including in medial-coda position, though that's rather rare). But the language(s) of the Sangir-Talaud islands have undergone the reduction > /?/. I've only seen a couple papers on those langs., and one 19th C Dutch grammar, and there's no mention of the phenomenon you cite. Of course, it might be easy to miss.....

Another likely candidate area might be some of the obscure Sino-Tibetan languages of the mainland. There too, final stops have tended to reduce to /?/ in what J.Matisoff nicely called a "continuum of final consonant attrition", and I think ST is reconstructed with original voiced finals. Does anything like that occur in Chinese languages??? 

In fact, Eric's proposal reminded me of what little I've heard (from non-natives) of the Vietnamese glottalized tone, where a form like [pa?] is pronounced [pa?a], with the final [a] very weak and perhaps glottalized or creaky. But I don't know whether proto-VN (or Austro-Asiatic) had voiced finals. Probably? (Vietnamese being AA, that opens up a whole nother field of possibilities.)

Following on the idea of "continuum of Cons. attrition", I think it would be unlikely for a lang. to retain final voiced stops, if voiceless stops were on their way to /?/. One would assume:

vd. and vl. stops > all devoiced > (perhaps some stops > /?/ before others** > all final stops /?/

**In the South Sulawesi langs. of my intimate acquaintance, the proto lang. had final *p(rare) t k r l s m n N.  *p and *t went first > /?/, later k > /?/, then *r l (merged) + s > /?/. The nasals were similar: *m n merged > /n/, ultimately with /N/.  One subgroup still has contrasting final /? k n N/, other subgroups have only /? N/ but retain *r l s. (+ other complications-- this was worth a 900-page diss. :-)))))))






      

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