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Re: Terminology Question (Comparative/Superlative)

From:

Mechthild Czapp <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 13 May 2010 06:36:11 +0200

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> Von: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Re: Terminology Question (Comparative/Superlative)


> I must say I've been reading this thread with mixed feelings. To me (and
> that's the way I was taught the terms), "comparative" and "superlative" do
> *not* imply a direction of comparison. "Comparative" just means "a form
> used
> to compare" and superlative "a form indicating an extreme degree". So, if
> you talk about the comparative of an adjective, my first reaction would be
> to ask "which one?". Any adjective has three comparatives: a comparative
> of
> superiority (marked in English by "more", "-er" or irregular forms), a
> comparative of equality (marked by "as") and a comparative of inferiority
> (marked by "less"). In the same way, any adjective also has two *relative*
> superlatives: a superlative of superiority (marked by "most", "-est" or
> irregular forms) and a superlative of inferiority (marked by "least"), as
> well as an *absolute* superlative (marked by "very"). The fact that some
> of
> them have derived forms and others don't is immaterial here, we're talking
> about function.
> 
> So I don't understand why people are creating weird expressions (negative
> comparative? That sounds like "not more" to me) or neologisms for the
> forms
> with "less" and "least", when they have names already!
> 

For example for glossing. Having 14 comparatives in a grammar file is managable. In a gloss, the difference between alna and alsina might be important enough to be marked. So for my LoCoWriMo story, I had to find terms to describe them and abbreviations for the gloss. Thus, I created  strange constructions like 2 Equitives (EQU1 and EQU2), comparatives, augmented comparatives, negative comparatives and so-called relative ones, as well as many imaginable combinations thereof. Also Superlatives for exactly these things. It does beat having CMP12 in the glossed text.  

> And for those who want to claim that the comparative and superlative of
> superiority are somehow more "basic" than the ones of inferiority, to the
> point that they are entitled to hijack the terms "comparative" and
> "superlative" themselves, my question would be: what's so much more basic
> about "more interesting" compared to "less interesting"? Yes, "less" is
> just
> the comparative of superiority of "little", but "more" is also just the
> comparative of superiority of "many"!

I guess it is called more basic to me since my L1 (German) has a hard time expressing these comparisons. ;)
-- 
Sanja'xen mi'lanja'kynha ,mi'la'ohix'ta jilih, nka.

My life would be easy if it was not so hard!



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