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Re: Question about a priori versus a posteriori artlangs

From:

Jen Runds <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:52:12 +1000

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On 9 June 2010 19:42, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> David Peterson wrote:
>
>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 1◊15 AM, Jen Runds wrote:
>>
>>  How the heck is Quenya considered to be an a priori conlang? My
>>> impression
>>> was that it's based heavily off Welsh/Finnish and therefore should be
>>> quite
>>> firmly a posteriori. How is Quenya different from any of the alternate
>>> history type conlangs?
>>>
>>
> Not all alternate history conlangs are of the same type. Brithenig, for
> example, is clearly a_posteriori since its vocabulary is derived from Vulgar
> Latin just like any Romance language in our own time-line; but ...
>
>
>  I hope you'll pardon the questions, but based on my understanding
>> of Quenya and the terms "a posteriori" and "a priori", I don't see how
>> Quenya could be a posteriori. Here are the assumptions I'm operating
>> under:
>>
>> (1) The terms a prior and a posteriori refer *only* to vocabulary.
>>
>
> This is indeed what a_priori and a_posteriori (normally) mean when we talk
> of conlangs.
>
> [snip]
>
>
>  (2) Quenya's vocabulary is, by and large, completely a priori:
>>
>
> Entirely so AFAIK
>
>
>  items. Even if its
>> grammar was influenced by Welsh and Finnish, it remains a
>> priori because of the definition of "a priori" given above.
>>
>
> *Not* by Welsh. Both the grammar and the phonology of Quenya have strong
> influences from Finnish, Latin & Ancient Greek. It's Sindarin that has Welsh
> & Old English influences; but Sindarin's vocabulary is also a_priori.
>
>
>  Am I mistaken about either (1) or (2)?
>>
>
> Nope.
>
> I think if a_priori and a_posteriori were to include grammar and phonology
> also there would be precious few a_priori languages conlangs of any sort
> ;)
>

This seems even more confusing. Would a relex of an existing language then
be technically a priori? I guess my objection is that the terms don't seem
to have a lot of usefulness. Vocabulary is such a small aspect of conlanging
that applying such a broad label is just silly, isn't it?

>
> --
> Ray
> ==================================
> http://www.carolandray.plus.com
> ==================================
> Nid rhy hen neb i ddysgu.
> There's none too old to learn.
> [WELSH PROVERB]
>

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