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CONLANG  June 2010, Week 2

CONLANG June 2010, Week 2

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Re: OT : atheism

From:

Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:54:35 -0500

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i think that the use of mind altering drugs is simple enough to
include, but trying to fit in what kind of gods therer are might be a
little complex, because they can be arbitrary. Something that could
probably be included is +/- equality of pantheon, which would default
to + for monotheism, because you have to be equal to yourself, no?

On 6/8/10, Dana Nutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I myself am an atheist, but I'm sorry I brought the subject up, because it
>> does seem to be spiralling a little out of control, even to the point that
>> people are getting offended, and Sai indeed I agree that the name is quite
>> well known to be sacred and even though I do use it when speaking to my
>> atheist friends, where it cannot easily or at all cause offence, there
>> seem
>> to be enough people of those who can take offence on the list to avoid
>> using
>> it for politeness's sake if for no other reason.
>
> Yeah, there are parts that are flirting with NCNC But so far the
> discussion has been kept mostly technical.  I'm on Sai's side here
> though.  He's free to use whatever terminology he sees effective to
> make his point.  I for one, will never control my blasphemous language
> for the sake of not-offending someone, no more than I would hold back
> on non-PC speech as doing so means being untrue to myself.  As a
> friend recently quoted on FB, I'd rather be hated for who I am, than
> loved for who I am not.
>
>
>> To get back to the original discussion, I think that any classificatory
>> system that was simple, would indeed be far too simple, because such a
>> system would have to capture the beliefs of a person in whole, and not in
>> part, to be of much use in an englang, whereas an artlang could probably
>> get
>> away with a us/them distinction.
>>
>> Things I've seen in the disccusion that would need to be included are
>>
>> +/- atheist
>> +/- monotheist
>> +/- polytheist
>> +/- afterlife
>> +/- reincarnation
>> +/- omnipotent god
>> +/- omniscient god
>> +/- cyclictical world (the world will end / there is no end, only a cycle)
>
> And there are variations in here too.  Polytheist cultures often
> divide up the areas of power as in "sun god", "lightning god", etc..
> In different beliefs, these spirtiual territories could vary quite a
> bit.
>
>
>> you could use feature encoding in an englang, like so
>>
>> +/- athiest = +/- round
>> +/- monotheist = +/- high
>> +/- polytheist = +/- back
>> +/- afterlife = alveolar/velar
>> +/- reincarnation = +/- cluster with /l/
>> +/- omnipotent god = +/- frication
>> +/- omniscient god = +/- coda
>> +/- cyclictical world (the world will end / there is no end, only a cycle)
>> =
>> +/- nasal
>> +/- preordained times of worship (coda matches onset/coda is disimilar
>> from
>> onset)
>
> Interesting sound symbolism but I think this is too general for such a
> complex subject.
>
>
>> you could mark the words with thier class with a prefix, say [kiki]
>> so a thing that might describe a certain sect of christianity from a
>> certain
>> point of view would be +/-/+/-/+/+/-/+ : a monotheistic people that
>> belive
>> in and afterlife, but not reincarnation, have a god who is both omnipotent
>> and omniscient, and who believe the world will end (or at least this world
>> will end), and who worship thier god at specific times. so that view of
>> christianity would be called [kikisit]
>>
>> Without discussing the point of view of a particular religion, which is
>> pretty much irrelevent, what other features are imporatant to religions in
>> general, not nessecarily the culture associated with the religion, but
>> with
>> the worship itself
>
> A lot of religions have holy days and other calendric observances,
> frequently to honor an significant historical event.    Prayer and
> ritualism play a big part in most of the major faiths.  Then there are
> such things as fasting, dietary restrictions and even the use of mind
> altering drugs.
>

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